Player asking for different $ between 6.12 and 6.5a

phenom · 10-24-2005, 10:02 PM

Not sure if this is a reported problem, but in my league (running 6.5a on commish's machine), a player is asking for (as an example) $4,000,000 x 3 years, but on the GM/owners 6.12 machine, he's asking for $2,750,000 x 3.

Needless to say, this is making it difficult to sign the player, and the number changes with each sim.

Is this a known issue?

kq76 · 10-24-2005, 10:28 PM

Well, I posted about it pretty soon after 6.5 was released. I didn't post it to ask for them to be made the same though as I imagine 6.5 was improved in this area, just to let everyone know that there wouldn't be no problems if some members stuck with 6.12.

sporr · 10-27-2005, 07:13 PM

Each patch will likely tweak how players are evaluated by the AI. This may lead to differences in asking price as seen here.

Steve Kuffrey · 10-27-2005, 07:38 PM

Agreed.......this will happen just about anytime the AI is tweaked as far as player evaluation is concerned. Really shouldn't come as a surprise.

delusional · 11-10-2005, 03:14 PM

Yep, me and brad ( SD ) were testing this out after one of my players was asing for chump change to me but on commish he was asking alot more.

Honestly this is not good. Some of the differences were BIG.

f.montoya · 11-10-2005, 08:31 PM

The obvious fix: Get everyone using the same version.

molarmite · 11-10-2005, 09:48 PM

But not everyone is willing to be an extra $10 for 6.5.

Steve Kuffrey · 11-10-2005, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molarmite

But not everyone is willing to be an extra $10 for 6.5.

If that is the case then the league is just gonna have to handle it in whatever way they see fit I'd say.

disposableheros · 11-11-2005, 01:45 AM

so whats the explanation when owner and commish ARE using 6.5?

http://www.whbl.net/modules.php?name...5eabd0dc5064e5

Steve Kuffrey · 11-11-2005, 02:22 AM

-There are several different "builds" of 6.5
-If the two are not using the same EXACT league file(different date).

These are two ways that they may get different results.

disposableheros · 11-11-2005, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

-There are several different "builds" of 6.5
-If the two are not using the same EXACT league file(different date).

These are two ways that they may get different results.

nope and nope.

im thinking more along the lines of, "its broken".

sporr · 11-11-2005, 07:04 PM

I have never seen this unless either different versions are being used OR a sim was done in between.

disposableheros · 11-11-2005, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sporr

I have never seen this unless either different versions are being used OR a sim was done in between.

and? just because you personally havent seen it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

i have seen this. more than once, in more than one league.

Steve Kuffrey · 11-11-2005, 11:14 PM

I'll ask Markus if this is possible, but not having seen this and having it reported in what maybe an isolated incident leads me to think that one of the other stated variables may have come into play. I'll let you know what I hear.

Steve Kuffrey · 11-12-2005, 07:25 AM

I got back a reply from Markus and he stated that this isn't possible if all are using the EXACT same files. Somewhere along the line the variables of files has come into play.

disposableheros · 11-12-2005, 11:34 AM

unfortunately, i dont agree.

step by step...

1) commish runs sim on 6.5a and ftps for GMs to d/l the file
2) GM d/l the file and looks at player X contract demands (using 6.5a)
3) GM posts on the league forum the exact amount the player is asking for
4) next sim day, commish opens his copy of the file and enters extension offer and gets denial (or sees the player is actually asking for a higher amount)
5) commish posts player's response on forums
6) commish processes player movement
7) commish posts a "done" reply in all player movement threads at the forums
8) commish sims the next X days and back to #1

in another league im in, the commish enters extension offers every time he goes to the league forum and sees a new offer, whether ore not it is a sim day. there's no possible way for the "days have been simmed" response to apply.

out of curiosity, does Markus belong to any online leagues?

10-24-2005, 10:28 PM	#2
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,041	Well, I posted about it pretty soon after 6.5 was released. I didn't post it to ask for them to be made the same though as I imagine 6.5 was improved in this area, just to let everyone know that there wouldn't be no problems if some members stuck with 6.12. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

10-27-2005, 07:38 PM	#4
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11-10-2005, 03:14 PM	#5
delusional Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 252	Yep, me and brad ( SD ) were testing this out after one of my players was asing for chump change to me but on commish he was asking alot more. Honestly this is not good. Some of the differences were BIG. __________________ USBA - Philadelphia Mavericks t

11-10-2005, 08:31 PM	#6
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	The obvious fix: Get everyone using the same version. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker??

11-11-2005, 01:45 AM	#9
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	so whats the explanation when owner and commish ARE using 6.5? http://www.whbl.net/modules.php?name...5eabd0dc5064e5 __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

10-24-2005, 10:02 PM	#1
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,774	Player asking for different $ between 6.12 and 6.5a Not sure if this is a reported problem, but in my league (running 6.5a on commish's machine), a player is asking for (as an example) $4,000,000 x 3 years, but on the GM/owners 6.12 machine, he's asking for $2,750,000 x 3. Needless to say, this is making it difficult to sign the player, and the number changes with each sim. Is this a known issue?

10-27-2005, 07:13 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Each patch will likely tweak how players are evaluated by the AI. This may lead to differences in asking price as seen here.

11-10-2005, 09:48 PM	#7
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,927	But not everyone is willing to be an extra $10 for 6.5.

11-11-2005, 02:22 AM	#10
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	-There are several different "builds" of 6.5 -If the two are not using the same EXACT league file(different date). These are two ways that they may get different results. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-11-2005, 07:04 PM	#12
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I have never seen this unless either different versions are being used OR a sim was done in between.

11-11-2005, 11:14 PM	#14
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I'll ask Markus if this is possible, but not having seen this and having it reported in what maybe an isolated incident leads me to think that one of the other stated variables may have come into play. I'll let you know what I hear. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-12-2005, 07:25 AM	#15
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	I got back a reply from Markus and he stated that this isn't possible if all are using the EXACT same files. Somewhere along the line the variables of files has come into play. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-12-2005, 11:34 AM	#16
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	unfortunately, i dont agree. step by step... 1) commish runs sim on 6.5a and ftps for GMs to d/l the file 2) GM d/l the file and looks at player X contract demands (using 6.5a) 3) GM posts on the league forum the exact amount the player is asking for 4) next sim day, commish opens his copy of the file and enters extension offer and gets denial (or sees the player is actually asking for a higher amount) 5) commish posts player's response on forums 6) commish processes player movement 7) commish posts a "done" reply in all player movement threads at the forums 8) commish sims the next X days and back to #1 in another league im in, the commish enters extension offers every time he goes to the league forum and sees a new offer, whether ore not it is a sim day. there's no possible way for the "days have been simmed" response to apply. out of curiosity, does Markus belong to any online leagues? __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517