career ending injuries

edm · 02-24-2004, 07:05 AM

This has probably been discussed before, and while it's not a huge deal, one thing that has always bothered me is the way ootp handles career ending injuries. Yes, I know they are part of the game and do occur in real life. but more times then not, career ending injuries are not known for some time after the actual injury. So how about, along with career ending injuries, adding a category for serious injuries with status: "return unknown".

To take this even deeper. There could be trainers, or a training staff, which get hired and fired just like the coaches/scouts. The higher rated/skilled your training staff is, the higher the chance a player has of returning at some point. Yes, one or two years down the line the players status could still change to "career over". But it would also be great to see a player return and do well after recovering, one, two, or even three years down the road.

P.S. yes this post come just minutes after losing my ace stater (a 26 year old, 5 star pitcher, who just came off a 21 win season) to a career ending injury, just 4 weeks before the playoffs. But even in my current distraught state, I think it's still a good idea

We will miss you Lorenzo Acuña ;' (

Gastric ReFlux · 02-24-2004, 12:04 PM

It sounds like a good idea.

I got it in my mind to start running another historical replay last night, and Ty Cobb got felled by a career-ender in 1913.

SoxWin · 02-24-2004, 02:47 PM

I like the idea a lot. Sometimes you see a guy like Dave Dravecky and you know right away he's done. More commonly though, especially with pitchers, it seems that they'll get repetitive problems with an elbow/shoulder and over time it will make them unable to pitch anymore. Charles Nagy comes to mind.

It would be nice if there was coding somewhere to make it more likely for guys to have repeat arm injuries. Chronic sholder problems or what have you.

Carlton · 02-25-2004, 10:57 PM

Hey we get our best ideas during distraught states!

Great idea!

Hope you get more disasters in your roster...so we get more ideas...selfish yea but a productive selfishness

sporr · 02-26-2004, 09:54 AM

I like this idea as well. What is a career ender for one player is sometimes not for another. A 36-year old pitcher who gets injured for a full season is much more likely to call it quits rather than trying a comeback than a 25-year old with the same injury. With today's technology, there are a lot fewer true career ending injuries than there used to be. This could even be coded by era I suppose where modern technology could prevent some career ending injuries.

To add to that, it would be interesting to have a player get seriously injured towards the end of a season and have to wonder if he'll be playing the following year for salary purposes. Then the player could email you to let you know if he's planning to make a comeback or not.

darkcloud4579 · 02-27-2004, 10:12 AM

That's a good idea.

Usually, I'll just "simulate" a career ender coming back into the game. Usually with diminished statistics or I'll have him in the minors for a year or two, to see if he can make a comeback. But yeah, just to have the player out and done seems a bit rash. Variation would be good.

02-24-2004, 07:05 AM	#1
edm Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,008	career ending injuries This has probably been discussed before, and while it's not a huge deal, one thing that has always bothered me is the way ootp handles career ending injuries. Yes, I know they are part of the game and do occur in real life. but more times then not, career ending injuries are not known for some time after the actual injury. So how about, along with career ending injuries, adding a category for serious injuries with status: "return unknown". To take this even deeper. There could be trainers, or a training staff, which get hired and fired just like the coaches/scouts. The higher rated/skilled your training staff is, the higher the chance a player has of returning at some point. Yes, one or two years down the line the players status could still change to "career over". But it would also be great to see a player return and do well after recovering, one, two, or even three years down the road. P.S. yes this post come just minutes after losing my ace stater (a 26 year old, 5 star pitcher, who just came off a 21 win season) to a career ending injury, just 4 weeks before the playoffs. But even in my current distraught state, I think it's still a good idea We will miss you Lorenzo Acuña ;' ( Last edited by edm; 02-24-2004 at 08:58 AM.

02-24-2004, 02:47 PM	#3
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	I like the idea a lot. Sometimes you see a guy like Dave Dravecky and you know right away he's done. More commonly though, especially with pitchers, it seems that they'll get repetitive problems with an elbow/shoulder and over time it will make them unable to pitch anymore. Charles Nagy comes to mind. It would be nice if there was coding somewhere to make it more likely for guys to have repeat arm injuries. Chronic sholder problems or what have you. __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

02-25-2004, 10:57 PM	#4
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Hey we get our best ideas during distraught states! Great idea! Hope you get more disasters in your roster...so we get more ideas...selfish yea but a productive selfishness __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

02-26-2004, 09:54 AM	#5
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I like this idea as well. What is a career ender for one player is sometimes not for another. A 36-year old pitcher who gets injured for a full season is much more likely to call it quits rather than trying a comeback than a 25-year old with the same injury. With today's technology, there are a lot fewer true career ending injuries than there used to be. This could even be coded by era I suppose where modern technology could prevent some career ending injuries. To add to that, it would be interesting to have a player get seriously injured towards the end of a season and have to wonder if he'll be playing the following year for salary purposes. Then the player could email you to let you know if he's planning to make a comeback or not. Last edited by sporr; 02-26-2004 at 09:57 AM.

02-27-2004, 10:12 AM	#6
darkcloud4579 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,715	That's a good idea. Usually, I'll just "simulate" a career ender coming back into the game. Usually with diminished statistics or I'll have him in the minors for a year or two, to see if he can make a comeback. But yeah, just to have the player out and done seems a bit rash. Variation would be good. __________________ ------ My Mods OOTP Advanced Stats & DFS Suite Managerial Strategy Pack Competitive Balance Tax Calculator Major League Women's Baseball (OOTP24) quickstart Indian Premier League \| 300+ years of baseball quickstart \| Expatriate League quickstart \| Off-Field Injuries Update \| Women's Name File for OOTP \| ---- Dynasty classics: Centurion comes to OOTP5 \| DC Moneyball Dynasty (2004)

02-24-2004, 12:04 PM	#2
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	It sounds like a good idea. I got it in my mind to start running another historical replay last night, and Ty Cobb got felled by a career-ender in 1913.