Low offense in Career mode II

BaseballGuy21 · 06-26-2003, 05:01 PM

A couple days ago I posted a thread about offensive declines in career mode.

http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=37708

I decided to sim another 40 years (63 total)and noticed a couple things.

*Only 12 different times has a player hit more than 50 homers in a seasons.

*4 computer generated players have reached 500 homeruns. The highest is 523. The other three didn't get above 507.

*Pitchers with ERA's in the 1's are present nearly every year.

My question......how would I go about raising offense a little bit? I am thinking about raising the offense about 2% for the next couple years. Does anybody have suggestions or advice? Thanks.

Below are the updated graphs.

BaseballGuy21 · 06-26-2003, 05:04 PM

Here's the team homeruns

BaseballGuy21 · 06-26-2003, 05:06 PM

Here's the league era

Steve Kuffrey · 06-27-2003, 01:32 AM

Decrease the number of hits and homeruns slightly in the league totals, this should increase the offense.

kq76 · 06-27-2003, 04:49 AM

Steve,

Does this often happen that over a number of years #s will trend down or up by a significant amount, without touching the league totals, or is this an anomaly?

Markus Heinsohn · 06-27-2003, 05:11 AM

I have seen seasons where offense dominated as well. I guess when you compare 100 different leagues with 100 years of history, you will see a nice variation of pitching dominated leagues and well as hitting dominated leagues.

Steve Kuffrey · 06-27-2003, 07:30 AM

I have seen peaks and valleys in both pitching and hitting, I have not noticed this personally. Plus, if I'm not mistaken the above was begun with a "user created" roster set which may have something to do with the results. Most of my testing has been using "game created fictional" leagues.

ohiodevil · 06-27-2003, 11:49 AM

I have seen a decrease in one year and then an increase the next. I had a player who hit .310 52 141 one year and then the next bat .280 21 101 and then .301 41 99 the third with his batting ratings remaining near the same for HR's. You don't see it that often when a player drops 30+ homers one season then go back up the next. This seems to be a common theme throughout my career league for players still in their "prime" of their careers.

KurtBevacqua · 06-27-2003, 01:14 PM

I think if you are using that function where it will adjust era settings for you after each year it has a tendency to lean in one direction or the other. If you started out getting a slight bit more offense than the ratings were set to then when you adjust, they tend to adjust in that direction, and vice versa, until finally you have a real trend on your hands.

I like to tweak my era settings manually every now and then for variety's sake.

BaseballGuy21 · 06-27-2003, 01:49 PM

I have never touched the settings, because I'm afraid I will make some huge mistake. The worst would be to have 10+ hitters with more than 60 homers in a year.

BTW, I simmed another 15 seasons last night and noticed quite an offensive upswing. The league avg in the last season was .261, and league era was around 4.3.

84CubsFan · 06-27-2003, 02:10 PM

Try 25 point increases/decreases in your HR total and then sim test seasons. That worked well for me to increase/decrease the top HR hitter by 2 or 3 HR a season until I was happy with it. I, too, don't like bloated stats, and prefer instead to have 50+ HR seasons be very rare.

KurtBevacqua · 06-27-2003, 03:19 PM

I'll be the first to admit I don't really udnerstand the era settings, but my explanation is just from what I've seen. When I redo the recalculate function it seems to subtley perpetuate trends like you are experiencing. That's why I like to just put random tweaks into the settings for more variety. I wish I understood the settings more, but just struggle along like everyone else.

Tiger Fan · 06-27-2003, 03:48 PM

I have test simmed literally hundreds of seasons using entirely game generated fictional players with no changes to the era and league settings.

As Markus mentioned above, there is a nice mix in pitching and hitting dominated eras.

kq76 · 06-27-2003, 04:09 PM

Thanks TigerFan. Heh, out of the three of you (incl. MH and SK), you're the only one I fully understood.

06-26-2003, 05:01 PM	#1
BaseballGuy21 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 106	Low offense in Career mode II A couple days ago I posted a thread about offensive declines in career mode. http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...threadid=37708 I decided to sim another 40 years (63 total)and noticed a couple things. Only 12 different times has a player hit more than 50 homers in a seasons. 4 computer generated players have reached 500 homeruns. The highest is 523. The other three didn't get above 507. *Pitchers with ERA's in the 1's are present nearly every year. My question......how would I go about raising offense a little bit? I am thinking about raising the offense about 2% for the next couple years. Does anybody have suggestions or advice? Thanks. Below are the updated graphs. Attached Images

06-26-2003, 05:04 PM	#2
BaseballGuy21 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 106	Here's the team homeruns Attached Images

06-26-2003, 05:06 PM	#3
BaseballGuy21 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 106	Here's the league era Attached Images

06-27-2003, 01:32 AM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	Decrease the number of hits and homeruns slightly in the league totals, this should increase the offense. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-27-2003, 04:49 AM	#5
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,986	Steve, Does this often happen that over a number of years #s will trend down or up by a significant amount, without touching the league totals, or is this an anomaly? __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

06-27-2003, 05:11 AM	#6
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	I have seen seasons where offense dominated as well. I guess when you compare 100 different leagues with 100 years of history, you will see a nice variation of pitching dominated leagues and well as hitting dominated leagues.

06-27-2003, 07:30 AM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,035	I have seen peaks and valleys in both pitching and hitting, I have not noticed this personally. Plus, if I'm not mistaken the above was begun with a "user created" roster set which may have something to do with the results. Most of my testing has been using "game created fictional" leagues. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-27-2003, 11:49 AM	#8
ohiodevil OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rocky River, Ohio Posts: 2,441	I have seen a decrease in one year and then an increase the next. I had a player who hit .310 52 141 one year and then the next bat .280 21 101 and then .301 41 99 the third with his batting ratings remaining near the same for HR's. You don't see it that often when a player drops 30+ homers one season then go back up the next. This seems to be a common theme throughout my career league for players still in their "prime" of their careers.

06-27-2003, 01:14 PM	#9
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I think if you are using that function where it will adjust era settings for you after each year it has a tendency to lean in one direction or the other. If you started out getting a slight bit more offense than the ratings were set to then when you adjust, they tend to adjust in that direction, and vice versa, until finally you have a real trend on your hands. I like to tweak my era settings manually every now and then for variety's sake. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

06-27-2003, 01:49 PM	#10
BaseballGuy21 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 106	I have never touched the settings, because I'm afraid I will make some huge mistake. The worst would be to have 10+ hitters with more than 60 homers in a year. BTW, I simmed another 15 seasons last night and noticed quite an offensive upswing. The league avg in the last season was .261, and league era was around 4.3.

06-27-2003, 02:10 PM	#11
84CubsFan Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 376	Try 25 point increases/decreases in your HR total and then sim test seasons. That worked well for me to increase/decrease the top HR hitter by 2 or 3 HR a season until I was happy with it. I, too, don't like bloated stats, and prefer instead to have 50+ HR seasons be very rare.

06-27-2003, 03:19 PM	#12
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I'll be the first to admit I don't really udnerstand the era settings, but my explanation is just from what I've seen. When I redo the recalculate function it seems to subtley perpetuate trends like you are experiencing. That's why I like to just put random tweaks into the settings for more variety. I wish I understood the settings more, but just struggle along like everyone else. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

06-27-2003, 03:48 PM	#13
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,869	I have test simmed literally hundreds of seasons using entirely game generated fictional players with no changes to the era and league settings. As Markus mentioned above, there is a nice mix in pitching and hitting dominated eras. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

06-27-2003, 04:09 PM	#14
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,986	Thanks TigerFan. Heh, out of the three of you (incl. MH and SK), you're the only one I fully understood. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)