I just find it hard to believe

[HonusWagner]

that if the bars were not indented you would be totally at a loss as to their meaning. I think you made that up, just to get a rise. And I base my assertion on the claim that what you said is either non-sensical or makes you appear somewhat 'challenged'. You are stating that with the bars indented their meaning is totally clear to you. And if they were not indented their meaning would be totally lost on you. And I am simply stating that is so unlikely and unimaginable that I would be safe to conclude you are simply being disingenuous. I simply don't believe you.

[bwiese3908]

Originally Posted by HonusWagner

that if the bars were not indented you would be totally at a loss as to their meaning. I think you made that up, just to get a rise. And I base my assertion on the claim that what you said is either non-sensical or makes you appear somewhat 'challenged'. You are stating that with the bars indented their meaning is totally clear to you. And if they were not indented their meaning would be totally lost on you. And I am simply stating that is so unlikely and unimaginable that I would be safe to conclude you are simply being disingenuous. I simply don't believe you.

I'll have what he is having please.

[CField17]

Originally Posted by bwiese3908

I'll have what he is having please.

[jldante56]

Originally Posted by HonusWagner

that if the bars were not indented you would be totally at a loss as to their meaning. I think you made that up, just to get a rise. And I base my assertion on the claim that what you said is either non-sensical or makes you appear somewhat 'challenged'. You are stating that with the bars indented their meaning is totally clear to you. And if they were not indented their meaning would be totally lost on you. And I am simply stating that is so unlikely and unimaginable that I would be safe to conclude you are simply being disingenuous. I simply don't believe you.

This is a unique take.

[BleedBlue]

Originally Posted by bwiese3908

I'll have what he is having please.

[jrgst3]

Originally Posted by HonusWagner

that if the bars were not indented you would be totally at a loss as to their meaning. I think you made that up, just to get a rise. And I base my assertion on the claim that what you said is either non-sensical or makes you appear somewhat 'challenged'. You are stating that with the bars indented their meaning is totally clear to you. And if they were not indented their meaning would be totally lost on you. And I am simply stating that is so unlikely and unimaginable that I would be safe to conclude you are simply being disingenuous. I simply don't believe you.

Sooo... are we referring to a bar as a destination in this post rather than a game element?

[Ty Cobb]

Blanton's on the rocks, please. He's paying...

[snepp]

Shiner Bock for me, cheers.

[Hooray Saturday]

his bars are definitely indented!

[Syd Thrift]

This is pure "it looks different and I don't like different", I'm sorry. Change occurs.

[Cactusguy21]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

This is pure "it looks different and I don't like different", I'm sorry. Change occurs.

That said, the bars being indented makes them impossible to read. Ratings have always influenced other ratings. Just put them all on the same margin. People can deal with the change of having new ratings, but the indents are unusable.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

This is pure "it looks different and I don't like different", I'm sorry. Change occurs.

The point about change and unfamiliarity is most likely true—and completely separate from the incoherency of the design. If anything, the opposite is true: technical debt dictating implementation of new information, resulting in a final product inferior to one designed de novo.

[Ataraxzy]

I think they're fantastic, they're good design. They convey meaning concretely and visually without having to dig through text sources like the old way, which was bad design.

[zappa1]

I find it hard to believe, Harry. Richie Ashburn to Harry Kalas.

[David Watts]

I find it hard to believe that children are our future.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Cactusguy21

That said, the bars being indented makes them impossible to read. Ratings have always influenced other ratings. Just put them all on the same margin. People can deal with the change of having new ratings, but the indents are unusable.

In your opinion.

The more I look at the players ratings tab, with indents on the left and no indents on the "splits" section on the right side of the screen, the more the indent makes sense, in both function and ease to read. On the pitcher's screen the three ratings on the left margin are the original "big 3" stuff/movement/control. These are in the same order they are on the player popup.

The batter is almost the same with the "big 3, contact/power/eye being the top and bottom two in the list, ie easy to see. I think putting power and eye together on the bottom was a conscious decision to keep those core ratings together. Note in early screenshots power was above gap, and separate from eye. Of course gap is on the left too as it's not a subset to power, ie Power only deals with HR, while gap only deals with balls in play (or the occasional ground rule double). So, the ratings on the left margin also closely match the batter popup too.

Maybe I'm different but, in all previous versions the only thing the bars did was draw my eye. I never looked at how full a bar was and, in my mind, transcribe that into a rating. I didn't have to because those numbers are listed on the left side of the bar. So, the bar draws my eye, the numbers tell me what the rating is of the skill in question. I literally can't look at the bar without seeing the number.

It's the same now with the indented bars. They too draw my eye, with the numbers on the left side. Sorry, but I can't imagine anyone looks at the bars without seeing the numbers. Maybe that's just me?

The "splits" side of the player ratings screen with everything on the left margin? I could almost call that side of the screen unusable. I won't though because the eye can be trained to find what it's looking for. The question then becomes "why make it harder?".

At the end of the day, for me , the bars are easier to read and interpret because they are indented.

The fix is to petition Matt or Markus to add yet again another option. That's ok, it's what OOTP does. Instead of being on a quest to remove something already in the game that others like and use, maybe put that energy to adding something to the game. They did it to reorder the bars when hiding the new ratings. Maybe you can get them to do the same for the margin? I can't think of any reason** that someone that likes the indents would oppose a suggestion to make it optional.

Everybody wins.

** Someone may post OOTP has too many options now. Really, one more is going to make a difference?

[phenom]

Originally Posted by HonusWagner

that if the bars were not indented you would be totally at a loss as to their meaning. I think you made that up, just to get a rise. And I base my assertion on the claim that what you said is either non-sensical or makes you appear somewhat 'challenged'. You are stating that with the bars indented their meaning is totally clear to you. And if they were not indented their meaning would be totally lost on you. And I am simply stating that is so unlikely and unimaginable that I would be safe to conclude you are simply being disingenuous. I simply don't believe you.

also pie

[Guthrien]

This is the greatest thread. A duel at dawn, good sir, I officially brand you a ...Liar!

[Thundercrack]

I just find it hard to believe that white boys can play that funky music

[HonusWagner]

Well, it's like saying I know what street I live on when it's cloudy but when the sky is clear I have to wander around, indigent, until late Autumn or early Spring. Then, the weather provides sufficient cloud cover for me to coordinate bearings and, eventually, reunite with family and community. Who would find such claims credible? My family doesn't that's for sure. But we press on, like boats against the tide.