How important are rehab assignments to the minors?

[Jasper70]

How important are rehab assignments to the minors?

[md40022]

Let me preface this with saying I've never tested anything, but if a guy is missing a significant amount of time, I do think a rehab assignment is very important.

Could be flukeish luck, but every time Ive brought a guy back with what I thought might be a little too quick, whether it was because it was an important stretch of games or whatever, it always seems that a slump followed.

Absolutely never did any testing on it, but it sure seems that it helps.

If someone is out a month lets say, with hitters I normally give them at least 20 at-bats on rehab and if they are ice cold at the end of those ABs, I will give them a few more until they string a few decent games together. With starters, 2 or 3 starts and if the results are ugly then 1 or 2 more. With RPs I always set their usage to "more often" otherwise it takes forever to get them adequate innings on a rehab assignment and then I try to get them at least 3 or 4 outings with the last outing or two being a good one before I bring them back.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by md40022

Let me preface this with saying I've never tested anything, but if a guy is missing a significant amount of time, I do think a rehab assignment is very important.

Could be flukeish luck, but every time Ive brought a guy back with what I thought might be a little too quick, whether it was because it was an important stretch of games or whatever, it always seems that a slump followed.

Absolutely never did any testing on it, but it sure seems that it helps.

If someone is out a month lets say, with hitters I normally give them at least 20 at-bats on rehab and if they are ice cold at the end of those ABs, I will give them a few more until they string a few decent games together. With starters, 2 or 3 starts and if the results are ugly then 1 or 2 more. With RPs I always set their usage to "more often" otherwise it takes forever to get them adequate innings on a rehab assignment and then I try to get them at least 3 or 4 outings with the last outing or two being a good one before I bring them back.

I tend to agree with this. I believe it also helps prevent an immediate re-injury, but only for long-term injuries

[Daniel_09]

Originally Posted by md40022

Let me preface this with saying I've never tested anything, but if a guy is missing a significant amount of time, I do think a rehab assignment is very important.

Could be flukeish luck, but every time Ive brought a guy back with what I thought might be a little too quick, whether it was because it was an important stretch of games or whatever, it always seems that a slump followed.

Absolutely never did any testing on it, but it sure seems that it helps.

If someone is out a month lets say, with hitters I normally give them at least 20 at-bats on rehab and if they are ice cold at the end of those ABs, I will give them a few more until they string a few decent games together. With starters, 2 or 3 starts and if the results are ugly then 1 or 2 more. With RPs I always set their usage to "more often" otherwise it takes forever to get them adequate innings on a rehab assignment and then I try to get them at least 3 or 4 outings with the last outing or two being a good one before I bring them back.

That is correct although it is not very much mentioned by the OOTP developers, and it is a feature for me of the most important, when a player spends a long time without playing (injury, offseason, etc..) you have to remove the rust, which is done in ST as well as in rehab in the minors.

I don't know how much it helps not to get injured again (because if the AI manages the minors it is likely that in the rehab assignment the player will play all the games and all his at bats due to his overall rating is higher than the rest of the players) of course you can put a maximum of pitches in the minors for pitchers to ensure that they don't get injured again, but with position players it is more difficult to keep track of this.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I tend to agree with this. I believe it also helps prevent an immediate re-injury, but only for long-term injuries

Except for my monster first baseman in my current game. Came off a year-long blown out knee, only to re-blow out the knee in his second rehab start, and out for another year.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by snepp

Except for my monster first baseman in my current game. Came off a year-long blown out knee, only to re-blow out the knee in his second rehab start, and out for another year.

are you arguing that since your one guy re-injured himself that all rehabs do not reduce injury proneness?

[snepp]

Nope, if I was arguing I'd just flat out say I think something is wrong. I was simply bemoaning my miserable luck.


[soapbox]

Does everything around here need to have some kind of ulterior motive, or future pissing match in wait? It is possible to simply comment on something without trying to pick a fight. It seems like every other thread gets derailed in one way or the other for no good reason. Life's too short for that ****.

[/soapbox]

[md40022]

Who stands on soapboxes anymore??????

(totally joking!! )

[snepp]

Originally Posted by md40022

Who stands on soapboxes anymore??????

(totally joking!! )

I don't have any social media accounts, so they're all I've got.

[Brad K]

What does a rehab assignment do in OOTP? Maybe the first thing is to ask what it does in real life. That would be what OOTP presumably would be trying to duplicate.

Seems one thing is that if a big star is on rehab in AAA then the AAA team should have an attendance increase.

[Bobbyraz49]

Originally Posted by md40022

Who stands on soapboxes anymore??????

(totally joking!! )

Ummm. short people ? LOL

[billyray1984]

Any player who misses more than 3 weeks get sent to the minors for rehab. Those AA and AAA players can use the steak dinners.

[Pelican]

One thing I like about rehab assignments if that they are flexible and open-ended (to a point). I use them as suggested in the thread. If my guy goes 5 for 9 in his first three games, or tosses nine scoreless innings, I figure they’re ready and bring them up.

The best use of minor league rehab is with SP who have been out more than a week or ten days. They are probably going to need to work up to pitching a full game. In the minors they can throw with a pitch limit until they’re ready. Anecdotal; but I gotta believe this approach reduces the risk of reinjury.

[baloroslin]

Originally Posted by Pelican

One thing I like about rehab assignments if that they are flexible and open-ended (to a point). I use them as suggested in the thread. If my guy goes 5 for 9 in his first three games, or tosses nine scoreless innings, I figure they’re ready and bring them up.

The best use of minor league rehab is with SP who have been out more than a week or ten days. They are probably going to need to work up to pitching a full game. In the minors they can throw with a pitch limit until they’re ready. Anecdotal; but I gotta believe this approach reduces the risk of reinjury.

Good point,I actually think pretty much same way!

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Pelican

One thing I like about rehab assignments if that they are flexible and open-ended (to a point). I use them as suggested in the thread. If my guy goes 5 for 9 in his first three games, or tosses nine scoreless innings, I figure they’re ready and bring them up.

The best use of minor league rehab is with SP who have been out more than a week or ten days. They are probably going to need to work up to pitching a full game. In the minors they can throw with a pitch limit until they’re ready. Anecdotal; but I gotta believe this approach reduces the risk of reinjury.

I'm more likely to believe rehab reduces the chance of injury than some of the features claimed to work but would change rate stats if they did.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Pelican

One thing I like about rehab assignments if that they are flexible and open-ended (to a point). I use them as suggested in the thread. If my guy goes 5 for 9 in his first three games, or tosses nine scoreless innings, I figure they’re ready and bring them up.

The best use of minor league rehab is with SP who have been out more than a week or ten days. They are probably going to need to work up to pitching a full game. In the minors they can throw with a pitch limit until they’re ready. Anecdotal; but I gotta believe this approach reduces the risk of reinjury.

I use a 21 day DL but even at that I personally tend to only use rehab assignments on:

1. Guys who've been out for a long time, like players coming back from rotator cuff or TJ surgery.

2. Guys who aren't that good and about whom I'm kind of just using the "rehab" stint to keep them on the "shadow roster" so I don't have to make a decision about them for 20 or 30 days.

It's definitely a good idea to get the "rust" out ASAP and there are good reasons to do so in the minors, too (for pitchers especially, you can have a guy pitch a couple innings and get that off). Outside of that... it's basically flavor for me. I do think it can be a good way to see if a guy with a very long-term injury lost it while he was recovering, which does happen a goodly amount of the time (I almost did "suddenly" but is there anything really sudden about a guy who's been out for a year and a half now having poor stuff?).

[snepp]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I use a 21 day DL but even at that I personally tend to only use rehab assignments on:

1. Guys who've been out for a long time, like players coming back from rotator cuff or TJ surgery.

2. Guys who aren't that good and about whom I'm kind of just using the "rehab" stint to keep them on the "shadow roster" so I don't have to make a decision about them for 20 or 30 days.

#2 applies to me a lot. Sometimes I hope another guy gets hurt while the rehab is in progress so that I don't have to actually make a decision.

[Pelican]

Yes. That. And I thought I was the only one!

[PSUColonel]

In all of my years here, the only thing definitive that I have ever heard from developers is that it helps to shake off rust. I'd like to think or believe it does a bit more than that, but I can't say that. Rust is the number one (and really the only likely one) factor as far as I know.

[Brad K]

Seems to me that's what it does real life. So the purpose is not to have a rusty lower performing player on the MLB team.

The story about reducing injuries, well, wouldn't it just change the place where they happen?