Compensation Picks With No Compensation Selected?

[kq76]

Why might my draft have compensation picks in it when I have "No Compensation" for lost FAs selected on the Financials tab? Is there another option I need to look at?

[LansdowneSt]

Maybe it's when in the season it was turned on/off? Such that it locked in the preseason and any change takes effect the next season? Just a guess because No Compensation should be No Compensation.

[kq76]

Yeah, I don't think I've changed that setting in a long time.

I did import to OOTP23 this last off-season. I guess that must have triggered it somehow.

I just checked the very first Opening Day backup, the last OOTP22 backup, and the first OOTP23 backup (I keep a lot) and they all say "No Compensation".

No big deal. I was able to export the draft csv, edit it, and import it. I'll just have to keep an eye out for it in the future.

Thanks. I honestly thought there might be another setting I wasn't thinking of.

[kq76]

Aha! I figured it out. After the draft, mind you, so I'll have to re-do the draft, but that's okay. I like drafting.

What it was was those players didn't sign with the teams that drafted them last year! They actually went to college. And they aren't draft eligible again for another 2 years (3 after their original draft). Good for them.

I should have remembered that earlier. Oh well.

I kind of wish you could turn off compensation for not signing draft picks, but I don't see that as an option. My thinking is, "why should my team have to draft further back this year because your team couldn't sign the player you drafted last year". That's on them, not me. Yeah, it could be argued it'll even out once those players re-enter the draft, but maybe not. Those players might flame out and my team might finish even higher thereby drafting even lower by then.

[BBGiovanni]

That all makes sense, and I probably never would have figured it out. So thanks for posting the question AND the answer

[erik2]

I’ve seen it’s something to do with losing free agents but can’t wrap my head around it https://vidmate.cool/ . can someone explain in a basic bitch way for me please

[LansdowneSt]

There are two types of compensation.

The loss of a free agent can - under certain Collective Bargaining rules - result in an extra draft pick for the team that lost the free agent and the team that signed him losing one. The CBA rules can be selected in the Game Set-up screens at any time.

But the one that kq76 was running into was the second kind of compensation pick. When the draftee fails to sign with the drafting team. The team that failed to sign him isn't out of luck, but rather, gets a pick to make up for it in the next draft. There is no setting I am aware of to stop that second form of compensation. It's a given and probably necessary in real life and so is locked into in the game.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

... It's a given and probably necessary in real life and so is locked into in the game.

Why do you think it's necessary? I'm thinking they probably put it in there so the draftees don't have leverage over the teams. The teams can just say to them, "you don't want to sign with us? Fine, we'll just take another similarly ranked player next year".

It got me thinking, however. Have teams not abused this in the past? I mean, just imagine you're the GM of a team and you think this year's draft class is pretty weak compared to next years. Or maybe not that, you just don't like the talent at this part of the draft and would rather take your chances of it being better next year. Not only could you postpone your pick to next year's stronger class by drafting a player and not even trying to sign him, but that would also screw over that player and any team that might legitimately have wanted that player. If I was a GM of another team I'd be pissed and I might even say, "well, they're doing it, I guess we should do it too". It'd be crazy.

I don't know much about the process. Is there something preventing this?

No, the more I think about it, the more I don't like it. If you don't think you can sign a player, just don't draft them.

[Matt Arnold]

I think in MLB they have to at least offer them thr slot value to get the compensation pick? I feel I read that somewhere once. So you can't "easily" skip the pick by having no intention to sign a player.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I think in MLB they have to at least offer them thr slot value to get the compensation pick? I feel I read that somewhere once. So you can't "easily" skip the pick by having no intention to sign a player.

Ah. And you were right. Well, on the right track at least.

A club must offer a drafted player at least 40% of the slot value in order to be eligible to receive a compensation draft pick if the player does not sign.

https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3555

EDIT: That source is probably out of date as it's from 2012. I'll see if I can find better.

That source goes into greater detail, but I'm thinking 40% isn't much at all. I mean, if, as a recent draftee, you see the slot is X$, but you're offered only 40% of that, then you're not going to be all that happy about it so what's the likelihood you would sign? At 40% it's almost like that safeguard isn't there at all (there must be a good story about this). I think 100% would make more sense. You could offer the player less of course and he might take it, but if you wanted to get that comp pick you'd need to offer slot.

That reminds me of my recent 1st rd signing. He signed for way less than slot. Why would he do that? Because my organization is so good? It is, but why not hold out for at least close to slot? He signed for 47K while slot was 352K (it's a fictional lg in 1987). My 7th through 12th rd picks are all demanding more than that. Wouldn't that start you and the player on the wrong foot once he found out you gave players drafted far later than him more money?

EDIT2: This is interesting!

What Happens To A Team That Does Not Sign One Of Their Draft Picks?
When a player does not sign with the team that drafted him, the slot value of that draft pick is subtracted from the team’s bonus pool. However, the team does receive a compensatory pick in the following year’s draft if they are unable to sign any of their draft picks from the first three rounds.

https://baseballscouter.com/do-mlb-d...icks-get-paid/

So it sounds like the penalty to the team has more to do with their bonus pool and so in a way maybe it is 100% after all.

That link also explains the bonus pool if people are interested.