Historical Simulations & Baseball Reference.com

tschirber · 04-30-2021, 10:18 AM

I've not played historical simulations on OOTP to date. After purchasing OOTP 22, I find myself interested in replaying the 1958 season and specifically targeting the Los Angeles Dodgers. What should I do to capture the most authentic replay possible. Has anyone used baseball reference. com to employ real lineups on a day to day basis? Does the game do that for you or merely provide a roster and suggest a lineup which you can then change? Are the trades, injuries, etc. similar to what really transpired? I would really appreciate hearing from those of you who enjoy the historical simulations, specifically those targeting a specific year.

Brad K · 04-30-2021, 11:22 AM

Set game to 1 year recal, disable development, set talent change randomness to zero, enable historical transactions and lineups. Someone else will be by to fill in what I missed.

pstrickert · 04-30-2021, 11:22 AM

The game comes with historical lineups and transactions (including trades and injuries, but not minor league promotions and demotions), which can be enabled when you replay a season. For single-season replays, I prefer to adjust the import settings (first page of the historical setup wizard): adjust/weaken ABs: 150/50; adjust/weaken IPs: 30/10. Once I create a league, I then disable some options, such as: owner goals, coaching system, personality ratings, team chemistry, and player morale. Be sure to choose from among the box score, game log, recap, WPA graph, and highlight options (according to preference).

pstrickert · 04-30-2021, 11:27 AM

If you have the Steam version of OOTP22, you can subscribe to mods through Steam Workshop. Otherwise, check out this thread: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=327815

David Watts · 04-30-2021, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The game comes with historical lineups and transactions (including trades and injuries, but not minor league promotions and demotions), which can be enabled when you replay a season. For single-season replays, I prefer to adjust the import settings (first page of the historical setup wizard): adjust/weaken ABs: 150/50; adjust/weaken IPs: 30/10. Once I create a league, I then disable some options, such as: owner goals, coaching system, personality ratings, team chemistry, and player morale. Be sure to choose from among the box score, game log, recap, WPA graph, and highlight options (according to preference).

What if you start out with the intentions of doing a single season and then decide you want to continue on to the next season and so on. Your settings should still work, right?

pstrickert · 04-30-2021, 01:12 PM

Definitely, yes.

thehef · 04-30-2021, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tschirber

I find myself interested in replaying the 1958 season and specifically targeting the Los Angeles Dodgers.

One more piece of advice: Set your expectations low. The '57 Brooklyn Dodgers were solid and the '59 LA Dodgers won the title, both thanks primarily to top-flight pitching. But the '58 LA Dodgers were not particularly good. Newcombe was brutal before mid-season trade to Cincy. Podres and especially Drysdale had off years. Koufax was not yet "HOFer Koufax" ... Team ERA went from a league-best 3.35 to league-worst 4.47 (and then rebounded to 3.79 - 3rd in the NL - in '59).

tschirber · 04-30-2021, 05:07 PM

Thanks everyone. This has been really helpful.

tschirber · 05-01-2021, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The game comes with historical lineups and transactions (including trades and injuries, but not minor league promotions and demotions), which can be enabled when you replay a season. For single-season replays, I prefer to adjust the import settings (first page of the historical setup wizard): adjust/weaken ABs: 150/50; adjust/weaken IPs: 30/10. Once I create a league, I then disable some options, such as: owner goals, coaching system, personality ratings, team chemistry, and player morale. Be sure to choose from among the box score, game log, recap, WPA graph, and highlight options (according to preference).

I just set everything up for the 1957 replay with the Brooklyn Dodgers as describe. Before beginning the first game, I compared the lineup and starting pitcher with baseball reference's box score of the game and they do not match. The starting pitcher is Drysdale versus Newcombe and there are other batters in the lineup that were not actually in the game. Is it me or is the OOTP engine not that specific to day to day historical lineups?

pstrickert · 05-01-2021, 02:57 PM

Did you choose the real lineups and transactions options when you created the league (step 2 of the historical setup wizard)?

68pirate · 05-01-2021, 04:03 PM

I'm thinking the real lineup and pitcher doesn't load until you click the "manage game" button to get to the pregame setup screen.

tschirber · 05-01-2021, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Did you choose the real lineups and transactions options when you created the league (step 2 of the historical setup wizard)?

I'm pretty sure I did check those boxes. I guess the real question is, given that those are checked, will they actually be the same lineups and pitchers as the actual games played according to the box scores on baseball reference. com?

pstrickert · 05-01-2021, 10:26 PM

Yes, they will.

pstrickert · 05-01-2021, 10:36 PM

I just tried it. Opening Day - Brooklyn at Philadelphia. The lineups and starting pitchers match the real life lineups and starting pitchers.

tschirber · 05-02-2021, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

I just tried it. Opening Day - Brooklyn at Philadelphia. The lineups and starting pitchers match the real life lineups and starting pitchers.

Thanks. Once I went to the playing of the first game the right lineups and pitchers were there as 68Pirate had indicated.

Curious, do you watch the 3D game at all? If so, what settings for viewing do you like best. I fiddled around with it in this first game and it wasn't quite what I wanted. Following the ball is quite difficult. I don't see myself using this very often. Also, do you just sim the game without any changes?

pstrickert · 05-02-2021, 12:25 PM

I prefer watching in blimp mode. The closer you get to the player models, the uglier they look. But that's just me. The rest is all user preference, really.

David Watts · 05-02-2021, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The game comes with historical lineups and transactions (including trades and injuries, but not minor league promotions and demotions), which can be enabled when you replay a season. For single-season replays, I prefer to adjust the import settings (first page of the historical setup wizard): adjust/weaken ABs: 150/50; adjust/weaken IPs: 30/10. Once I create a league, I then disable some options, such as: owner goals, coaching system, personality ratings, team chemistry, and player morale. Be sure to choose from among the box score, game log, recap, WPA graph, and highlight options (according to preference).

I'm trying your settings and I really like what I'm seeing. I've actually made it all the way to June 1st. Might be the farthest I've ever made it using real lineups. For some reason in the past, I've always felt like the game was chugging through mud when playing this way. Offense always felt bogged down, but so far that's not the case using these setting. Playing 1976, so I can see how the The Bird does in OOTP.

pstrickert · 05-02-2021, 03:57 PM

Interesting. For me, these settings seem to prevent offensive outliers. Not completely, of course, since random chance is still involved.

pstrickert · 05-02-2021, 03:59 PM

I'm still not sure what to do with adjust/weaken IPs. I doubt there's a sweet spot that works for all seasons.

04-30-2021, 10:18 AM	#1
tschirber Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 62	Historical Simulations & Baseball Reference.com I've not played historical simulations on OOTP to date. After purchasing OOTP 22, I find myself interested in replaying the 1958 season and specifically targeting the Los Angeles Dodgers. What should I do to capture the most authentic replay possible. Has anyone used baseball reference. com to employ real lineups on a day to day basis? Does the game do that for you or merely provide a roster and suggest a lineup which you can then change? Are the trades, injuries, etc. similar to what really transpired? I would really appreciate hearing from those of you who enjoy the historical simulations, specifically those targeting a specific year.

04-30-2021, 11:22 AM	#2
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,658 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Set game to 1 year recal, disable development, set talent change randomness to zero, enable historical transactions and lineups. Someone else will be by to fill in what I missed.

04-30-2021, 11:22 AM	#3
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	The game comes with historical lineups and transactions (including trades and injuries, but not minor league promotions and demotions), which can be enabled when you replay a season. For single-season replays, I prefer to adjust the import settings (first page of the historical setup wizard): adjust/weaken ABs: 150/50; adjust/weaken IPs: 30/10. Once I create a league, I then disable some options, such as: owner goals, coaching system, personality ratings, team chemistry, and player morale. Be sure to choose from among the box score, game log, recap, WPA graph, and highlight options (according to preference).

04-30-2021, 11:27 AM	#4
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	If you have the Steam version of OOTP22, you can subscribe to mods through Steam Workshop. Otherwise, check out this thread: https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=327815

04-30-2021, 01:12 PM	#6
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	Definitely, yes.

04-30-2021, 05:07 PM	#8
tschirber Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 62	Thanks everyone. This has been really helpful.

05-01-2021, 02:57 PM	#10
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	Did you choose the real lineups and transactions options when you created the league (step 2 of the historical setup wizard)?

05-01-2021, 04:03 PM	#11
68pirate Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 84	I'm thinking the real lineup and pitcher doesn't load until you click the "manage game" button to get to the pregame setup screen.

05-01-2021, 10:26 PM	#13
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	Yes, they will.

05-01-2021, 10:36 PM	#14
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	I just tried it. Opening Day - Brooklyn at Philadelphia. The lineups and starting pitchers match the real life lineups and starting pitchers.

05-02-2021, 12:25 PM	#16
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	I prefer watching in blimp mode. The closer you get to the player models, the uglier they look. But that's just me. The rest is all user preference, really.

05-02-2021, 03:57 PM	#18
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	Interesting. For me, these settings seem to prevent offensive outliers. Not completely, of course, since random chance is still involved.

05-02-2021, 03:59 PM	#19
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,410	I'm still not sure what to do with adjust/weaken IPs. I doubt there's a sweet spot that works for all seasons.