Suggestion: Pitchers should "know" how long they will be expected to pitch

[CBeisbol]

A lot of questions around how pitchers fatigue. This is related. It does make sense that pitchers should fatigue differently if they start or relieve. Sort of. Pitcher usage is changing and the starter/reliever designation is blurring. In real life, pitchers know about how many batters they will be facing, or how many innings they will be pitching when they enter a game. And they pace themselves accordingly. This is, largely, absent in OOTP. It exists somewhat with openers and followers but should be expanded. The most obvious example is when a starting pitcher is replaced early in a game. Sometimes the reliever who comes in will be expected to pitch a short (1-3) inning outing. But others, they are expected to pitch like a second starter. OOTP, to the best of my knowledge, will always fatigue the reliever (even if the reliever is a starter) as though they will only pitch a few innings. This should be variable.


Also this is a really good idea/observation
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=322061

[jmolony3]

I like this approach. A long relief stint could move the relievers stats to their usually lower starting stats. This would approximate the expectation placed on the pitcher when the manager brings them in.


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[Rain King]

I'm pretty sure a pitcher that has a Long Relief role in OOTP doesn't have the same stamina hit as a reliever in other roles and can typically go 4-5 innings (as long as they don't have a reliever-only type stamina rating), but I'll admit I've not studied that specifically.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I'm pretty sure a pitcher that has a Long Relief role in OOTP doesn't have the same stamina hit as a reliever in other roles and can typically go 4-5 innings (as long as they don't have a reliever-only type stamina rating), but I'll admit I've not studied that specifically.

I don't think this is true.
I don't have a good example at the moment, just some observation

In a previous season in one of my saves I used these two pitchers as a piggy back tandem.

The way I use piggy back starters is that one starter starts and faces 18 hitters. That's usually 4 to 5 innings (maybe more if they keep batters off base, maybe less if they can't). Then the other comes in and faces the next 18 hitters. Usually another 4 to 5 innings. This often finishes the games. Yes, sometimes, they don't get their full 4 innings.


Here are the two pitchers I used
The first one (Ruiz) I more often used in relief. He had a 65 stamina.
The second (Gonzalez) started more. He had a 60 stamina.

I think, but it may be revisionist history, that I started out starting Ruiz as a starter, but when I noticed the problem with Gonzalez fatiguing faster, I switched Ruiz to relieving because he had the slightly better stamina.

You can see that Ruiz pitched a lot fewer innings than Gonzalez. Yes, there can be reasons for that: the starter going more than 5 innings, losing on the road and the game ending after the 8th, etc...but Ruiz struggled to get through his 18 hitters. Yes, he also walked and struck out more hitters, which would increase his pitch count

Still, when, I think, I had the order they pitched reversed, it was the same problem. The pitcher that pitched in relief tired out faster.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I'm pretty sure a pitcher that has a Long Relief role in OOTP doesn't have the same stamina hit as a reliever in other roles and can typically go 4-5 innings (as long as they don't have a reliever-only type stamina rating), but I'll admit I've not studied that specifically.

Also

Even if that is true, that a long reliever will pitch like they are going to pitch 4-5 innings, that should be dependent on how the manager plans to use them. If I'm only bringing them in for one inning, they should pitch like a one-inning reliever. Likewise, a short reliever who's called on to pitch multiple innings, should alter how they pitch as well.