Reasonable Goals

Benji33 · 05-02-2020, 02:39 AM

Hey y'all.
If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be?

Marleigh · 05-02-2020, 03:14 AM

For a ''normal'' person Gold is easily attainable, Diamond may be a stretch. But it depends on time and knowledge, if you spend 100s of hours a month flipping cards in the AH then you can compete with whales.

Sipimi · 05-02-2020, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Benji33

Hey y'all.
If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be?

It depends on your intentions and strategy. If you want to "beat" the game, I think you can reach Diamond. I have two out of three teams that use different strategies but have that same goal. They're in Gold and will probably be promoted at the end of the season.

If you want to have fun, like with a theme team, then you probably shouldn't hope to go as high. My all-Montreal team will probably struggle as soon as Iron because of the limits put by that theme (lack of solid IF and great pitching).

mayday10 · 05-02-2020, 10:17 AM

I guess it is what you want out of it.

If you intend to get to the top level and compete, against, I would guess most people who have bought points, it will be very tough without a lot of luck and/or meticulous calculation and time in the auction house and grinding tournaments. Itll be a long term grind with a lot of patience (and fun along the way).

There is something for everybody though. You can do what you can and the promotion/relegation system will keep you at an appropriate level. You will slowly build. Tournaments are also great too. A lot of capped tournaments too so it is easy to avoid the monsters. It is much more about setting a strategic lineup.

Lemandria · 05-02-2020, 11:13 AM

Reasonable goals this month, or ten months from now?

In XX I reached PeL with three different teams in a little bit less than six months. [Note: "reached" very different than "won."]

Perfect's pretty out of reach in 21, unless you're really, really good at taking PP from newbs.

Diamond is a realistic goal for FTP teams, particularly if you have the full year to work with.

dladuke · 05-02-2020, 11:26 AM

I have never spent a dime on my teams and actually do not spend a lot of time on them in any given week. My 2.0 team bounces between Gold and Diamond, although it has been a while since I won a championship. I still enjoy playing.

USF · 05-02-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Benji33

Hey y'all.
If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be?

I'm leading my division in Silver right now.
Made the playoffs in each level, winning the division in all but 1 league where i was the WC. Didn't fair well in the playoffs but, did win a series 1 time. Winning a league championship is going to be extremely difficult.

bailey · 05-02-2020, 12:05 PM

A reasonable goal for any player is Diamond. All you have to do is complete the 39 live missions and you are on your way. The reward cards are just so good. Just keep chipping away at it, no rush. Work on 1 team at a time and just keep going.

You might object "isn't everyone doing that?". Answer, "no". Less than 10% of the players have completed 39 or more missions so far".

You might object "isn't it expensive?". Answer, "not really. you need about 150K to complete it, but your team probably makes 1000 per day now, so it could take 4 to 6 months."

Lemandria · 05-02-2020, 12:12 PM

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your team probably makes 1000K per day now

A million a day? Don't I wish.

Marleigh · 05-02-2020, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

A reasonable goal for any player is Diamond. All you have to do is complete the 39 live missions and you are on your way. The reward cards are just so good. Just keep chipping away at it, no rush. Work on 1 team at a time and just keep going.

You might object "isn't everyone doing that?". Answer, "no". Less than 10% of the players have completed 39 or more missions so far".

You might object "isn't it expensive?". Answer, "not really. you need about 150K to complete it, but your team probably makes 1000K per day now, so it could take 4 to 6 months."

this is probably the optimal strategy but not the only one, you could also just buy the players from those collections that you need and combine them with other cheap options, which is what i'm trying on my rookie league team. 1st player I bought was Al Rosen to play at DH, cost 1400 PP, so far he's earned 1310 PP on his own with a shot at MVP.

Live golds are also great for low level leagues, Andrelton Simmons is probably better than Tulo. there are also historicals which can be picked up cheap, Jack Sanford cost me 1600PP and has earner 1350 PP so far. once you get rolling you can ''earn''a new player every one or two days, you don't need great players to earn PP at low tiers.

Also setting everything to max for hitting park factors is probably a decent PP boost

this is my second season in rookie and i'm now dominating (but that was acclerated by luck) the first season i spent earned PP buying hitters, completely ignoring pitching, and building bronze and iron teams, that netted me 15 packs and in one of those packs i pulled live Trout and Van Mungo. Van Mungo funded buying Mussina and Plank
tl;dr if you are f2p don't ignore tournaments

bailey · 05-02-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marleigh

this is probably the optimal strategy but not the only one, you could also just buy the players from those collections that you need and combine them with other cheap options, which is what i'm trying on my rookie league team. 1st player I bought was Al Rosen to play at DH, cost 1400 PP, so far he's earned 1310 PP on his own with a shot at MVP.

That's true, for money AND time limited players. That's my strategy for Hamtramck, but as you can see by the flags below, it lags considerably.

Benji33 · 05-02-2020, 03:43 PM

Thanks for all the feedback! Seems like with a few adjustments I could be on a really solid track to have a competitive squad in the middle tiers. I could certainly adjust things to farm more PP. My strategy so far was to make an average and xbh friendly park, though not friendly to power. Fill the lineup with guys who make contact and can shoot the gap, but more importantly have solid defensive range.

I should pry start a new tag for this (or just dig around the forums), but does playing a player out of position in a tournament help to train them at that position?

Syd Thrift · 05-02-2020, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Benji33

Thanks for all the feedback! Seems like with a few adjustments I could be on a really solid track to have a competitive squad in the middle tiers. I could certainly adjust things to farm more PP. I should pry start a new tag for this, but does playing a player out of position in a tournament help to train them at that position?

Almost positive that it does not, except for the length of that tournament itself, and even a 128-team tournament simply won't last long enough to train up a player to the point that they'll be worth using by the end of it (and even then, how are you getting out of the early rounds when you're playing guys out of position?).

Benji33 · 05-02-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Almost positive that it does not, except for the length of that tournament itself, and even a 128-team tournament simply won't last long enough to train up a player to the point that they'll be worth using by the end of it (and even then, how are you getting out of the early rounds when you're playing guys out of position?).

Yeah just noticed my card I've been training lost all progress at that position in the tournament.

mayday10 · 05-02-2020, 09:28 PM

I just finished the AL West and about 20 cards from the East and Central.

It's a bear. Patience and attentiveness is key and a little luck, especially on a budget... but it loads your team with good diamond players. I think I bought every player below the average prices.

Also finished the Dominican Iron mission for a free pack and got a Diamond Trevor Story.

I want to do the National League as well. After that, probably chase perfect players

Sipimi · 05-05-2020, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Benji33

Hey y'all.
If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be?

See what happens when your F2P team reaches its goal ? What seemed reasonable is not, after all...

bailey · 05-05-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sipimi

See what happens when your F2P team reaches its goal ? What seemed reasonable is not, after all...

Honestly, I can't wait for this experience. But my teacher in silver was a harsh one. 120 wins was considered by her to be "shirking my potential" and forced me to repeat the grade.

OMGPuppies · 05-07-2020, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Benji33

Hey y'all.
If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be?

Winning a diamond title.

OMGPuppies · 05-07-2020, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sipimi

See what happens when your F2P team reaches its goal ? What seemed reasonable is not, after all...

Omg man you are getting murdered.This is what I have to look forward to.

Charlatan · 05-07-2020, 08:36 AM

Hey Benji

I have two free to play teams and both of them are working on completing the live collections. One team has finished them all and the other one is about halfway through. Your progress on those goals will be A bit dependent on how much luck you have in getting some PP windfalls. The team that has completed all the missions got around 4000 PP from a blowout game once and that started me down the path to completion.

Patience is the key to acquiring the cards without overpaying. Being willing to sell some of the collection rewards also helps. Since I am not buying points, I have had to sell a few of the collection rewards to fund further progress, but even though it hurt me to sell a few of the guys (the team that has completed them sold Bagwell for instance) you will be able to keep most of the rewards. For instants, I have kept cards like Suzuki, Cano, Yaz, and Maddox. It all comes down to making trade-offs as to who you keep or sell unless you’re willing to take a really long time to complete the missions in which case you can probably keep everyone and just do it over a longer number of weeks.The end result is definitely worth it.

Heck even if you decide to sell the rewards you still will end up way ahead and you’ll have a bunch of points to spend howeveryou like. It’s just that the reward cards are so powerful for their price that it is difficult to beat them in an economic sense.

05-02-2020, 02:39 AM	#1
Benji33 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 15	Reasonable Goals Hey y'all. If I don't plan on spending any money on PT, what would you consider a reasonable goal? Without the capital, what would you estimate my ceiling to be? __________________ No Money Spent:

05-02-2020, 03:14 AM	#2
Marleigh All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: UK Posts: 541	For a ''normal'' person Gold is easily attainable, Diamond may be a stretch. But it depends on time and knowledge, if you spend 100s of hours a month flipping cards in the AH then you can compete with whales. __________________

05-02-2020, 10:17 AM	#4
mayday10 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 175	I guess it is what you want out of it. If you intend to get to the top level and compete, against, I would guess most people who have bought points, it will be very tough without a lot of luck and/or meticulous calculation and time in the auction house and grinding tournaments. Itll be a long term grind with a lot of patience (and fun along the way). There is something for everybody though. You can do what you can and the promotion/relegation system will keep you at an appropriate level. You will slowly build. Tournaments are also great too. A lot of capped tournaments too so it is easy to avoid the monsters. It is much more about setting a strategic lineup. __________________

05-02-2020, 11:13 AM	#5
Lemandria All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 702	Reasonable goals this month, or ten months from now? In XX I reached PeL with three different teams in a little bit less than six months. [Note: "reached" very different than "won."] Perfect's pretty out of reach in 21, unless you're really, really good at taking PP from newbs. Diamond is a realistic goal for FTP teams, particularly if you have the full year to work with. __________________ FOTF victim Farewell

05-02-2020, 11:26 AM	#6
dladuke Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: OH Posts: 4	I have never spent a dime on my teams and actually do not spend a lot of time on them in any given week. My 2.0 team bounces between Gold and Diamond, although it has been a while since I won a championship. I still enjoy playing. __________________

05-02-2020, 12:05 PM	#8
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,424	A reasonable goal for any player is Diamond. All you have to do is complete the 39 live missions and you are on your way. The reward cards are just so good. Just keep chipping away at it, no rush. Work on 1 team at a time and just keep going. You might object "isn't everyone doing that?". Answer, "no". Less than 10% of the players have completed 39 or more missions so far". You might object "isn't it expensive?". Answer, "not really. you need about 150K to complete it, but your team probably makes 1000 per day now, so it could take 4 to 6 months." Last edited by bailey; 05-02-2020 at 12:23 PM.

05-02-2020, 03:43 PM	#12
Benji33 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 15	Thanks for all the feedback! Seems like with a few adjustments I could be on a really solid track to have a competitive squad in the middle tiers. I could certainly adjust things to farm more PP. My strategy so far was to make an average and xbh friendly park, though not friendly to power. Fill the lineup with guys who make contact and can shoot the gap, but more importantly have solid defensive range. I should pry start a new tag for this (or just dig around the forums), but does playing a player out of position in a tournament help to train them at that position? __________________ No Money Spent: Last edited by Benji33; 05-02-2020 at 03:48 PM.

05-02-2020, 09:28 PM	#15
mayday10 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 175	I just finished the AL West and about 20 cards from the East and Central. It's a bear. Patience and attentiveness is key and a little luck, especially on a budget... but it loads your team with good diamond players. I think I bought every player below the average prices. Also finished the Dominican Iron mission for a free pack and got a Diamond Trevor Story. I want to do the National League as well. After that, probably chase perfect players __________________

05-07-2020, 08:36 AM	#20
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,492	Hey Benji I have two free to play teams and both of them are working on completing the live collections. One team has finished them all and the other one is about halfway through. Your progress on those goals will be A bit dependent on how much luck you have in getting some PP windfalls. The team that has completed all the missions got around 4000 PP from a blowout game once and that started me down the path to completion. Patience is the key to acquiring the cards without overpaying. Being willing to sell some of the collection rewards also helps. Since I am not buying points, I have had to sell a few of the collection rewards to fund further progress, but even though it hurt me to sell a few of the guys (the team that has completed them sold Bagwell for instance) you will be able to keep most of the rewards. For instants, I have kept cards like Suzuki, Cano, Yaz, and Maddox. It all comes down to making trade-offs as to who you keep or sell unless you’re willing to take a really long time to complete the missions in which case you can probably keep everyone and just do it over a longer number of weeks.The end result is definitely worth it. Heck even if you decide to sell the rewards you still will end up way ahead and you’ll have a bunch of points to spend howeveryou like. It’s just that the reward cards are so powerful for their price that it is difficult to beat them in an economic sense.