Friends list

[SayHey1]

I have 3 friends listed...2 of which listed me as friends back and yet, none of us were paired up with each other in our leagues. Disappointing.


Is there any other "functionality" with regards to the friends list? I can't seem to click on their names or team names to view them.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Unfortunately the friends seeding algorithm wasn't finished in time. We hope to have it done for the next promotion cycle

[Germaniac]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Unfortunately the friends seeding algorithm wasn't finished in time. We hope to have it done for the next promotion cycle

Then you'll probably end up in a league with 5,000 others

[One Post Wonder]

Why is this necessary? What's wrong with using a standard league to play each other?

Even if everyone plays honestly, it just looks sketchy if someone is in a division where everyone else knows each other personally.

Not to mention that a lot of these friends are people all playing off the same account, which looks even more sketchy and opens the door to exploitation.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Why is this necessary? What's wrong with using a standard league to play each other?

Even if everyone plays honestly, it just looks sketchy if someone is in a division where everyone else knows each other personally.

Not to mention that a lot of these friends are people all playing off the same account, which looks even more sketchy and opens the door to exploitation.

Division / subleague seedings are still random. But if I want to be in the same league as my brother and father for example, this feature is super useful

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Why is this necessary? What's wrong with using a standard league to play each other?

Even if everyone plays honestly, it just looks sketchy if someone is in a division where everyone else knows each other personally.

Not to mention that a lot of these friends are people all playing off the same account, which looks even more sketchy and opens the door to exploitation.

I can tell you sir that NONE of my friends nor I are "exploiting" anything. We simply want to compete vs. each other in the same league. If this needs further explanation, I'm sorry but I can't help you.

[stl jason]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Why is this necessary? What's wrong with using a standard league to play each other?

Even if everyone plays honestly, it just looks sketchy if someone is in a division where everyone else knows each other personally.

Not to mention that a lot of these friends are people all playing off the same account, which looks even more sketchy and opens the door to exploitation.

as long as they are playing by the rules/etc, I don't see what's wrong with being in the same league/division, even if it's 2 or 3 teams off the same account... heck, I might log in later to find my 2 teams in the same division.... but it won't change my play style (I'm not buying/selling players from one team to the other; and I'm trying to field the best teams I can on both with my own guidelines for each)...

and if you "know" someone from the boards and can get into the same league, it just makes for more fun/trash talk/etc here... all in good fun

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

I can tell you sir that NONE of my friends nor I are "exploiting" anything. We simply want to compete vs. each other in the same league. If this needs further explanation, I'm sorry but I can't help you.

Christ, expressing any opinion on this board is like walking through a minefield. Calm down. I clearly wasn't referring specifically to you or your friends.

But if you're not able to see ways that this might either look bad to another player, or be exploited by other people, then I can't help you either.

If you and your friends all play OOTP regularly, then I'm still not seeing why a normal online league setup wouldn't be good enough for you. Something like that would offer you far more flexibility than this. So why does it have to be PT specifically?

Markus, I know your mind isn't changing on this one so I'm not pushing for anything. I'm just responding to the one post.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

So why does it have to be PT specifically?

I'd argue the burden of proof should be flipped. Why would someone not want to play with friends? The fact that there are alternative ways to play with them doesn't make me want to not play with them in this setting as well.

However, you have laid forth some compelling arguments that begin to answer this new question, which is absolutely value added content here

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Christ, expressing any opinion on this board is like walking through a minefield. Calm down. I clearly wasn't referring specifically to you or your friends.

But if you're not able to see ways that this might either look bad to another player, or be exploited by other people, then I can't help you either.

If you and your friends all play OOTP regularly, then I'm still not seeing why a normal online league setup wouldn't be good enough for you. Something like that would offer you far more flexibility than this. So why does it have to be PT specifically?

Markus, I know your mind isn't changing on this one so I'm not pushing for anything. I'm just responding to the one post.

Still seeing confrontation where there is none, I see.

EDIT: Well, with the post below mine, now there IS confrontation, so I retract my previous statement.

I spent my entire Beta period in a league with no one from the boards (that I knew of). Meanwhile I was following the trash talk threads that kept cropping up, and I was quite jealous of those folks who got to discuss the season as it went along.

It's more fun if you know who you're playing with. And if people end up using this feature to cheat or collude, I have faith they'll be dealt with. And if they're not, well, then we can cross that bridge. Don't let those kind of players ruin the fun of the mode for everyone.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Christ, expressing any opinion on this board is like walking through a minefield. Calm down. I clearly wasn't referring specifically to you or your friends.

But if you're not able to see ways that this might either look bad to another player, or be exploited by other people, then I can't help you either.

If you and your friends all play OOTP regularly, then I'm still not seeing why a normal online league setup wouldn't be good enough for you. Something like that would offer you far more flexibility than this. So why does it have to be PT specifically?

Markus, I know your mind isn't changing on this one so I'm not pushing for anything. I'm just responding to the one post.

Go back and read your original post and you might get some idea why I responded the way I did.



You specifically asked "Why is this even necessary?" and since I am the OP, I logically deduced you were directing a challenge at me.
Moreover, in your post you use the words "sketchy" and "exploitation" without making clear you weren't speaking about me or anyone in particular.
Whether it was your intention or not, your poorly worded response could be interpreted as a cheating accusation. As for why my friends and I choose to try to play together on PT vs. a normal setup...what business is that of yours, and why do I have to explain it?

[One Post Wonder]

I'll make this as simple as I can.

2 things:

1. Quite a few people have already been caught cheating in various ways using multiple accounts from the same license. It is established that this is being abused.

2. Now here we are, making a special effort to ensure that multiple accounts from the same license are going to end up in the same league, and at least some of the time, the same division.

As a special consideration for the audience here, I'll do the extra work and piece that together:

If a certain element of the game (multiple accounts) allows room for exploitation and some people have been taking advantage of it, then if multiple accounts are in the same league or division, that allows even more room for exploitation and some people will take advantage of that.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

If a certain element of the game (multiple accounts) allows room for exploitation and some people have been taking advantage of it, then if multiple accounts are in the same league or division, that allows even more room for exploitation and some people will take advantage of that.

And when they do, they will be caught and banned.

THE END

[One Post Wonder]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

You specifically asked "Why is this even necessary?

Good. So you read that part of my post and understood the broad question that I was asking. Sure, you didn't answer it in either post. But we batted .500, and I'll count that as a success since I'm trying to wrap this up before bedtime.

Fyrestorm, for a guy who claims to dislike confrontation you sure are quick to show up when it looks like one might kick off.

I had assumed that the trash talk was coming from people who were on the site, had identified their teams, and were jawing back and forth with other site members who they were familiar with and happened to share a league with. Exploitation aside, isn't that sort of thing in a better spirit than a bunch of people forming their own personal enclaves?

You were in a league with me, BTW. Your infatuation with base stealing was killing you in the beta.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Good. So you read that part of my post and understood the broad question that I was asking. Sure, you didn't answer it in either post. But we batted .500, and I'll count that as a success since I'm trying to wrap this up before bedtime.

Fyrestorm, for a guy who claims to dislike confrontation you sure are quick to show up when it looks like one might kick off.

I had assumed that the trash talk was coming from people who were on the site, had identified their teams, and were jawing back and forth with other site members who they were familiar with and happened to share a league with. Exploitation aside, isn't that sort of thing in a better spirit than a bunch of people forming their own personal enclaves?

You were in a league with me, BTW. Your infatuation with base stealing was killing you in the beta.

First person I've met here who desperately requires an ignore feature.

[NYY #23]

Sooner or later we'll get to a place where everyone is assumed innocent until they do something suspicious. If someone wants to play in the same league with their friends why are they automatically viewed as up to no good?

I had a lot of fun playing against the same group during beta. It was challenging but nice to move up leagues with the same group, form rivalries, etc. I can only speak for myself, but I know it pushed me to build a better team.

I've got faith that the cheaters will be caught, but they shouldn't ruin it for everyone else.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

Fyrestorm, for a guy who claims to dislike confrontation you sure are quick to show up when it looks like one might kick off.

I'm just always here. It's what I do at work. And who ever said I disliked it? I quite enjoy the show, every time. There's just usually no show until you make one for yourself. So, you know, thanks for the entertainment, I suppose.

Originally Posted by One Post Wonder

You were in a league with me, BTW. Your infatuation with base stealing was killing you in the beta.

It made me a fair chunk of PP. Also, you're making the dangerous assumption that I care about my record.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by Orcin

And when they do, they will be caught and banned.

THE END

I will believe that when I see it. It is a lot easier to threaten then to carry out.
A lot easier to threaten then to prove and not to mention a lot harder to throw out if they actually bought some points. I am not so sure it would be that easy to prove. Just my opinion but.....It is the only one I own.

[Zorro]

Besides if someone does cheat by floating points to another it would not bother me as far as winning goes. The team that gave the points would be weaker and the person who got the points is wasting a lot of time while I am using my time on getting players with the points I have either bought or earned. He still has to beat me and he weakened the league by one team. So for the rest of us it would be a plus. One less team to worry about...

[AirmenSmith]

Waiting for this to be the next locked thread. Seems to be the norm now