Anyone see actual reverse splits?

[Syd Thrift]

Not just in pitcher ratings, I mean reflected in the actual stats themselves. I've got an inkling that because both batters and pitchers have their own splits built in, pitchers actually have more to overcome than you'd expect when it comes to splits so a Jamie Moyer or a Doug Jones might still have "normal" splits in the game, just smaller than normal.

I'm probably not explaining myself to people who don't already get the idea of "reverse splits". Classically speaking, pitchers do better against like-handed batters (RHPs vs RHBs) than against opposite-handed ones (RHPs vs LHBs). The game models this and even increases the effect if players throw certain pitches (curveballs and sliders for sure, maybe others) and decreases and even, at least in the ratings, reverses them if they throw others (screwballs of course, but the circle change and maybe the straight change also show this effect). A guy like the longtime relief pitcher Doug Jones, who stayed in the league until he was 43 by throwing a not-terribly-fast fastball and a lot of circle and straight changes, finished his career with a lifetime OPS+ of 103 vs same-handed batters and 97 vs opposite-handed ones.

What I'm wondering is how well the game models this. In the game, Jones might have Stuff, Movement, and Control rates higher vs LHBs (he's a righty) but consider that he's still facing RHBs who, on average, have higher ratings vs. LHPs than RHPs, so there's a really strong possibility that, rather than see those splits actually *reverse*, you might only see them get smaller. The proof is in the pudding I guess. Anyone have Doug Jones or Jamie Moyer (a LHP who also excelled with the circle and straight change and who had a career OPS+ of 98 vs RHBs and a 106 vs LHBs) in a career sim, and if so what do their career splits look like? For fictional leagues, anyone have a guy who throws the scroogie or circle change as their primary pitch who can relate these numbers?