RP Ratings

[teak88]

Just downloaded/started ootp 18; generally like it, but one 'bug'?

Almost all relief pitchers are rated one-star or less; I chk'd 'All Players', and there were only about 10 RPs in the entire database w/ more than one star; my one-star CL had forty saves, for goodness sake.

When I reset any of their positions to SP, their stars jump up to 2-3-4-etc.

I suspect that this is because of something I have done in Game Setup - "compare all pitchers to..." or something - anyone have an ideas?

Thx

Bob

[Vulkan]

I have noticed this too. Don't know why though.

[Syd Thrift]

The game used to value middle relievers separately from other pitchers and one result of that was that when you sorted lists of pitchers by ratings you'd have the top dominated by MRs. People complained and so you have what you have today. Middle relievers just aren't that valuable, relatively speaking, and on top of that the AI grades them differently (like, it doesn't matter if they have higher stamina for one, and for two by and large a relief pitcher will only throw his best 2 or sometimes 3 pitches in a game so if a guy is ok but not great with 5 pitches he's going to be rated for stuff about as well as a guy who is ok but not great with 2).

[NoOne]

an example of group-think...

someone pitched this nonsense, a couple people in the peanut gallery agreed, and it somehow gained steam and merit without good cause or rational thought

although, relievers should be virtually worhtless in nearly all trades. only the "top" guys merit value... only a handful exist, let alone available in a trade.

So, as of '18, the stuff rating for relievers is based on all pitches just as an SP, not weighted to the top-2 as it used to be? %$#@ %#$ %#$ what? say it ain't so! (sorry, bit theatrical, not really too upset, but it doesn't make sense)

i see mostly 20's now... at least you could make use of a filter, now a hefty chunk are all the same rating and listed in alphabetical order, which is useless. the people that wanted this change just didn't like "Seeing" the higher values when the role was RP, lol... did anyone tell them it was an asthetic effect? (that provided some resolution of said relievers)

[teak88]

Wow; don't know what I tapped into ...but interesting...

My question, however ...why is Kenley Jansen (or whoever) a half=star?

[Lukas Berger]

What settings are you guys using?

The default settings and most other settings don't have Jansen or any other other elite or even decent RP's rated anywhere near 1*.

There's something off with your games if this is what you're seeing.

[NoOne]

i do not have ratings relative to position... but this is normal for me each year.

using same settings in that regard for .. well since i first found the game.

when i turned a middling long reliever to a SP position, his rating went up drastically. from 20/80 ro ~50/80.

i think it might be # of pitches ... the 2-pitch guys like andrew miller are still elite overall/potential ratings. working on memory here.

not affecting individual ratings, if that wasn't clear... (beside role and stuff, that's normal, ofc)

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by NoOne

i do not have ratings relative to position... but this is normal for me each year.

using same settings in that regard for .. well since i first found the game.

when i turned a middling long reliever to a SP position, his rating went up drastically. from 20/80 ro ~50/80.

i think it might be # of pitches ... the 2-pitch guys like andrew miller are still elite overall/potential ratings. working on memory here.

not affecting individual ratings, if that wasn't clear... (beside role and stuff, that's normal, ofc)

You'll have to give me some specific examples. But most RP's with the default settings are are rated as multiple star guys, only the really bad ones are even one star.

[NoOne]

this is mar 2020... sorted by overall.. which is much higher... potential maxes at 63 and a the few 50's you see in this pic are all visible, that's all of them. 20-80over/pot, 1-100 others, show greater than max / potential is true... not relative to anything, league or position (i've always used these settings... if it's different now, boohoo for me ).

other ratings all normal, results are normal etc.. no idea how it's influencing AI decisions.. stratification still esists, it just dips into the upper 20's, low 30's for a good setup reliever. but, quite a few are lumped at 20... especially overall, and no track record.

my ai eval is a bit more ratings than default, 55/45 or 60/40, 25, 15 or 10 and 5 -> current, last, 2yer, respecitvely, maybe? i don't have stars, but gotta be similar as the OP, if i turned it to stars.