The big push to get the WBC added to OOTP.

Caporegime · 07-13-2016, 05:26 AM

Okay guys, this is it. Next year has to be the year we finally get the WBC, or some other option that will at least enable us to create a similar exhibition, to OOTP. Why?...because it’s time. This is one of the last major features OOTP needs to reach its full potential as the ultimate baseball/MLB (Yes, the two are not mutually exclusive) sim.

Next year will be the fourth WBC played. No, the event doesn’t possess the same prestige, buzz, wow factor or social cachet enjoyed by the soccer World Cup and never will. However, with MLB actively seeking to increase its brand’s visibility internationally, and with a whopping 238 foreign-born players (27.5%) on major league rosters as of opening day 2016, I think it’s safe to assume that the WBC isn’t going anywhere. Indeed, as the game becomes more international, I would fully expect MLB to try and continue to expand the tournament and market it aggressively.

Yes, I know there are plenty of great arguments against adding the WBC to the game, not limited to the monumental amount of programing hours such a complex undertaking would require of Markus & co., not to mention all the other bolts under the hood that could use a little tightening first. However, like the old saying goes, nothing worth having is easy. Depending on how it’s implemented, this could allow us to play and enjoy OOTP in new and exciting ways by finally allowing us to use OOTP’s international database to its full potential. OOTP already allows us to create players and leagues in any nation in the world, but being able to pit those players against one another in a global tournament would, IMO, add a whole new dimension of fun and challenge to the game.

I’m no programmer, so I’m not going to sit here and pretend that Markus can magically wave his left hand and make a feature as complex as this one instantly appear in the game. Perhaps the only way he’ll be able to add the WBC to OOTP would be to make it a stand-alone feature, like the Historical Exhibition feature that was added to this year's edition. Then there’s the issue of licensing fees. The WBC is obviously an MLB property, and as we all know, MLB doesn’t give any of their licensed products away for free. Would Markus have to pay MLB and additional fee just to use the name ‘WBC’?

Either way, it will undoubtedly require a lot of work and other possible maneuverings to add this feature. Hopefully, if enough of us want the WBC (or some form of international play) added to OOTP next year, it will happen This is probably the OOTP equivalent of the moonshot. We have the technology; we have the captured German scientists (Sorry Markus & Andreas

); the question is: do we have the desire to get this done ? I hope we do, because this would really be a great feature that I think most of us would enjoy.

BigRed75 · 07-13-2016, 11:33 AM

I'd rather they spend their time perfecting 3D, adding the Negro Leagues and fixing automatic league evolution than working on the WBC.

Just wanted to point out that there are differing views out there.

mgom27 · 07-13-2016, 10:56 PM

They can add it.

CD360 · 07-14-2016, 12:11 AM

IMO, this is the one thing that ootp lacks. This is also one of few options that can please both real and fictional players. Please add it

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reflections · 07-14-2016, 01:35 AM

It would be nice but seems to be a bit insane logistically. Just read over the actual rules for the Classic. And then how would players be put onto teams. I mean Piazza played for Italy (born in Norristown Pennsylvania) because he was of Italian descent. Would there be something added to now give players a area of descent?
Where would the non major league players come from? And what are they doing when there is no WBC? If they are not apart of any league, how do those players get better?
I think it's a lot harder than people really think.

andyhdz · 07-14-2016, 01:12 PM

The only way this would work is if they just developed a simple quickstart built on the wbc model with real 2017 rosters. Anything more than that would be ridiculous to program. How would this work with existing leagues or the variety of different world setups that are out there?

kq76 · 07-14-2016, 05:18 PM

If adding WBC capability also means adding a robust tournament system that isn't just for WBC tournaments, then I'm all for it.

reflections · 07-14-2016, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by andyhdz

The only way this would work is if they just developed a simple quickstart built on the wbc model with real 2017 rosters. Anything more than that would be ridiculous to program. How would this work with existing leagues or the variety of different world setups that are out there?

Yeah I don't think people really understand how complex it would be to program. It's not just adding a league to the game.

07-16-2016, 11:38 AM

I'm all for WBC as the distinct game mode (like Historical Exhibition)

thelonius · 07-18-2016, 01:36 PM

Adding one aspect of it would benefit more than one aspect of the game.

They just have to allow teams to be made up of players loaned from another organization. That would allow for a realistic Arizona Fall League and Winter Leagues as well.

Second to this, they could allow teams to have secondary league membership, which could allow Cactus and Grapefruit leagues -- or even a worldwide tournament made up of national champions.

Caporegime · 07-19-2016, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmytron

I'm all for WBC as the distinct game mode (like Historical Exhibition)

In the end, that may be the only way it could be added to the game. While possessing some kind of custom tournament builder in-game would be ideal, I think most people would want international play of some kind would ultimately settle for a stand-alone WBC mode.

Caporegime · 07-19-2016, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by reflections

Yeah I don't think people really understand how complex it would be to program. It's not just adding a league to the game.

Yeah, I acknowledged how difficult it would be to program in my OP. I'm sure adding 3D was equally challenging as well, but there was a demand for it. The question is: Is there currently a large enough demand for international play of some kind to be added to OOTP? I'm hoping that this thread will help to shed a little light on that question so that, at the very least, those of us who want this feature added can better gauge our chances of seeing it happen.

Caporegime · 07-25-2016, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kq76

If adding WBC capability also means adding a robust tournament system that isn't just for WBC tournaments, then I'm all for it.

That would definitely be the ideal way to add it to the game in terms of fun factor and usability, but it would probably the most difficult to program as well. If I had a choice between having it as a separate, distinct mode akin to the Historical Exhibition feature or having an actual in-game tournament builder/scheduler, I'd much prefer the latter.

louisvillec271 · 08-01-2016, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRed75

I'd rather they spend their time perfecting 3D, adding the Negro Leagues and fixing automatic league evolution than working on the WBC.

Just wanted to point out that there are differing views out there.

I'd rather see them create a NCAA standalone game myself. Think about how much fun that online league would be.

07-13-2016, 05:26 AM	#1
Caporegime All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Borough of Kings Posts: 1,714	The big push to get the WBC added to OOTP. Okay guys, this is it. Next year has to be the year we finally get the WBC, or some other option that will at least enable us to create a similar exhibition, to OOTP. Why?...because it’s time. This is one of the last major features OOTP needs to reach its full potential as the ultimate baseball/MLB (Yes, the two are not mutually exclusive) sim. Next year will be the fourth WBC played. No, the event doesn’t possess the same prestige, buzz, wow factor or social cachet enjoyed by the soccer World Cup and never will. However, with MLB actively seeking to increase its brand’s visibility internationally, and with a whopping 238 foreign-born players (27.5%) on major league rosters as of opening day 2016, I think it’s safe to assume that the WBC isn’t going anywhere. Indeed, as the game becomes more international, I would fully expect MLB to try and continue to expand the tournament and market it aggressively. Yes, I know there are plenty of great arguments against adding the WBC to the game, not limited to the monumental amount of programing hours such a complex undertaking would require of Markus & co., not to mention all the other bolts under the hood that could use a little tightening first. However, like the old saying goes, nothing worth having is easy. Depending on how it’s implemented, this could allow us to play and enjoy OOTP in new and exciting ways by finally allowing us to use OOTP’s international database to its full potential. OOTP already allows us to create players and leagues in any nation in the world, but being able to pit those players against one another in a global tournament would, IMO, add a whole new dimension of fun and challenge to the game. I’m no programmer, so I’m not going to sit here and pretend that Markus can magically wave his left hand and make a feature as complex as this one instantly appear in the game. Perhaps the only way he’ll be able to add the WBC to OOTP would be to make it a stand-alone feature, like the Historical Exhibition feature that was added to this year's edition. Then there’s the issue of licensing fees. The WBC is obviously an MLB property, and as we all know, MLB doesn’t give any of their licensed products away for free. Would Markus have to pay MLB and additional fee just to use the name ‘WBC’? Either way, it will undoubtedly require a lot of work and other possible maneuverings to add this feature. Hopefully, if enough of us want the WBC (or some form of international play) added to OOTP next year, it will happen This is probably the OOTP equivalent of the moonshot. We have the technology; we have the captured German scientists (Sorry Markus & Andreas ); the question is: do we have the desire to get this done ? I hope we do, because this would really be a great feature that I think most of us would enjoy. __________________ "If you don't know where you are going, you'll wind up someplace else." - Lawrence Peter Berra Last edited by Caporegime; 07-13-2016 at 05:52 AM.

07-13-2016, 11:33 AM	#2
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,430	I'd rather they spend their time perfecting 3D, adding the Negro Leagues and fixing automatic league evolution than working on the WBC. Just wanted to point out that there are differing views out there. __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb

07-13-2016, 10:56 PM	#3
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,532	They can add it. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

07-14-2016, 05:18 PM	#7
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 11,799	If adding WBC capability also means adding a robust tournament system that isn't just for WBC tournaments, then I'm all for it. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

07-14-2016, 12:11 AM	#4
CD360 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 72	IMO, this is the one thing that ootp lacks. This is also one of few options that can please both real and fictional players. Please add it .

07-14-2016, 01:35 AM	#5
reflections Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tumwater, Washington Posts: 175	It would be nice but seems to be a bit insane logistically. Just read over the actual rules for the Classic. And then how would players be put onto teams. I mean Piazza played for Italy (born in Norristown Pennsylvania) because he was of Italian descent. Would there be something added to now give players a area of descent? Where would the non major league players come from? And what are they doing when there is no WBC? If they are not apart of any league, how do those players get better? I think it's a lot harder than people really think.

07-14-2016, 01:12 PM	#6
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	The only way this would work is if they just developed a simple quickstart built on the wbc model with real 2017 rosters. Anything more than that would be ridiculous to program. How would this work with existing leagues or the variety of different world setups that are out there?

07-16-2016, 11:38 AM	#9
dmytron Guest Posts: n/a	I'm all for WBC as the distinct game mode (like Historical Exhibition)

07-18-2016, 01:36 PM	#10
thelonius Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 35	Adding one aspect of it would benefit more than one aspect of the game. They just have to allow teams to be made up of players loaned from another organization. That would allow for a realistic Arizona Fall League and Winter Leagues as well. Second to this, they could allow teams to have secondary league membership, which could allow Cactus and Grapefruit leagues -- or even a worldwide tournament made up of national champions.