Markus -Team Historical Exibition

[Skrabec1]

Need to know if play Two historical teams, are the players era adjusted to truly level the playing field.

[kq76]

I'm not sure I understand it perfectly, but there was the following from the announcement of the 16 in '16 tournament:

the unique Historical Series feature allows the teams to play in a fashion that represents a selected year/era. This calculates the player ratings (normalized against each team’s specific year and then adjusted to the era) and sets up the league totals as well as the strategy settings, including rotation size and strategic tendencies. So, when you have the 1927 Yankees play against the 1996 Braves and select 1927 as the era, the Braves team will behave and perform as if it was 1927 as well.

So, I take that as a, no, it doesn't "level" the playing field, but maybe others would interpret it differently.

And just to check, when I load that screen for "Game Era & Strategy" I see 3 options: "default modern era" and then the two years for each of the 2 teams selected.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by kq76

I'm not sure I understand it perfectly, but there was the following from the announcement of the 16 in '16 tournament:



So, I take that as a, no, it doesn't "level" the playing field, but maybe others would interpret it differently.

And just to check, when I load that screen for "Game Era & Strategy" I see 3 options: "default modern era" and then the two years for each of the 2 teams selected.

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the unique Historical Series feature allows the teams to play in a fashion that represents a selected year/era. This calculates the player ratings (normalized against each team’s specific year and then adjusted to the era) and sets up the league totals as well as the strategy settings, including rotation size and strategic tendencies. So, when you have the 1927 Yankees play against the 1996 Braves and select 1927 as the era, the Braves team will behave and perform as if it was 1927 as well.

Hmm I may be way off but the only possible interpretation to me is that the playing field is level to 1927. What do you see differently?

[kq76]

Well, what I envision happening is if you have a team that is built on the longball and have them face a deadball era team played under deadball era settings, the longball team's home run power is going to get nullified. And if they played in the modern era the deadball team would get crushed by the longball. I don't think that's "leveling the playing field" between the two teams like the OP seems to be asking about.

Leveling the playing field, I think, would be using the midpoint between the two eras, but I'm not sure that would work well either as then neither team would really be playing in the environment they were built to play in. Maybe what would be best is if you could have all games be played under the era of the home team and sure, the home team would have advantage, but for many series it might not come into play.

[Skrabec1]

In historical Exibition games and World Series games is the game using the neutralized database or does the era chosen do the neutralization ? I have looked everywhere for this answer. Also in a fictional leagues with real historic teams should you be choosing the neutralized database or does the game modifiers neutralize teams from different years-

Thanks
Neil

[Painmantle]

If I'm not mistaken you choose that setting on the first page of the setup. Your options are Modern Era, the Era of the Home Team, the Era of the Visiting team. A true Neutralized doesn't seem to be an option

[Matt Uk]

From the man himself...


http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...41-post14.html

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Matt Uk

From the man himself...

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...41-post14.html

Thanks for that. Unfortunately, from reading that post of his I don't think Markus took into consideration that teams are usually built based on their era, just like they're built for their home parks. And that just because somebody will hit the same proportion of home runs relative to the league doesn't mean that it's a level playing field. Just think about it, would 5 HRs in 1905 have the same impact as 45 HRs in 2005? Of course not! I did some math and it looks like HRs were about 8.5 times more prevalent in 2005 than in 1905 while HR/R were only 6.5 times more. R/G were 4.75 to 3.68. Now yeah, comparing the deadball era to the modern era is probably where you see the biggest problem and the problem probably isn't nearly as bad comparing some other eras to each other, but for people for whom this is important it's probably too much of a problem to ignore.

The more I think about it, the more I think the game should use what Markus put in, but have the eras switch based on the home field.

EDIT: FWIW, those were AL-only numbers. I just quickly brought them up on BR.

[kq76]

Another major problem, maybe even a bigger one, is how do you account for the different usage of pitchers? Christy Mathewson pitched almost 25% of the Giants innings in 1905 whereas R.A. Dickey, who's known to pitch a good amount of innings in today's game, pitched just under 15% of the Jays innings last year. In a 7-game historical exhibition series does Christy get to pitch 4 games (he started games 1, 3, and 5 of the 5 game series in 1905 and he won all 3) while a modern era pitcher gets 3 starts max, if that? I don't know. If Mathewson doesn't pitch every other day, those 1905 Giants are in trouble.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by kq76

Another major problem, maybe even a bigger one, is how do you account for the different usage of pitchers? Christy Mathewson pitched almost 25% of the Giants innings in 1905 whereas R.A. Dickey, who's known to pitch a good amount of innings in today's game, pitched just under 15% of the Jays innings last year. In a 7-game historical exhibition series does Christy get to pitch 4 games (he started games 1, 3, and 5 of the 5 game series in 1905 and he won all 3) while a modern era pitcher gets 3 starts max, if that? I don't know. If Mathewson doesn't pitch every other day, those 1905 Giants are in trouble.

In a 7-game historical exhibition (as set up by OOTP), the pitching rotation will go 1-2-1-2-3-1-2 with deadball era settings and a 2-3-2 home/road format. Mathewson of course will be one of the top 2 so he should get 3 starts, probably games 1, 3 and 6. Once you get outside deadball era settings, it will be 1-2-3-1-2-3-1 again with a 2-3-2 home/road format.