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Old 10-28-2016, 03:49 PM   #1
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Toward a Better Financial Game

I've been thinking about this for several years now and haven't gotten around to committing much to paper and then posting. So I decided to start this thread and add to it as I can. Comments welcome, of course.

First, my issues with the Financial model in the game is that it is both unrealistic and poorly implemented. I have over 40 years in accounting, finance, budgeting and financial systems and so I have a solid idea of what goes on in the real world.

Second, I think the financial aspect of OOTP can be transformed into an interesting, challenging and more realistic experience for the gamer. It will need to change in order to do this. Other aspects of the game will have to integrate more seamlessly than they currently do, which all too often is 'not at all' right now.

The two key parts of my suggestions are:

1) A three year budget cycle in which the player agrees to an annual spending limit and several goals.

2) Achieving the goals creates rewards, much like completing a quest brings a reward in other types of games.
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:58 PM   #2
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The Three Year Budget

The owner will set a total spending number for the three year period. You, the player, will choose one of (perhaps) three goals for the coming seasons:

1) Win the WS
2) Create a winning team
3) Rebuild the farm system

Which goal you choose will be reflected in how the money is allocated. So the highest player salary level is the first and the highest Player Development spending is the third.

Attendance and other revenue has no impact on your three year budget commitment. I'll write about the impact of profit, owner finances and attendance later.
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Old 10-28-2016, 04:10 PM   #3
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Meeting your Goals

The goals you agee to need to be met, and here is an area where OOTP needs to get better metrics.

Winning the WS or the pennant are easy goals to define as is a winning season. However, 'Improve the Farm system" is much more difficult to measure. In OOTP the 'Minor League System Rankings' are absurdly useless as they stand. I cannot see this as the basis for anything. Scrapping it is the way to go.

What is useful is the results of the Player Development System, that is, contributions to the MLB team from farm system players. I have had a useful goal on occasion in OOTP that asks me to achieve a level of WAR from home-grown players and I like this as the metric to achieve.

The precise numeric goal will be a 'degree of difficulty' determination for one--and reflected in your owner's character traits. So, for example, your owner could demand your system rebuild produce 15 WAR, 20 WAR and then 30 WAR from home grown talent during the three year budget.
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Old 10-28-2016, 08:46 PM   #4
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I like the idea! Sounds a bit similar to how FM does their budgets, and imitating FM is never a bad thing
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Old 10-28-2016, 10:34 PM   #5
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I've been thinking about this for several years now and haven't gotten around to committing much to paper and then posting.
Same here. Got lots of ideas for a financial system that would be both flexible and reasonably authentic at its core. (Considering the amount of real-world club and league financial data I've collected over the years, it ought to get used somehow! )
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Old 10-28-2016, 11:24 PM   #6
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Great ideas that could take immersion to whole new levels!
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Old 10-29-2016, 12:29 AM   #7
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I have over 40 years in accounting, finance, budgeting and financial systems and so I have a solid idea of what goes on in the real world.
So you're familiar with the kind of accounting shenanigans professional sports clubs use to reduce their profits (or inflate their losses, as the case may be)?

(As Paul Beeston famously said, "Anyone who quotes profits of a baseball club is missing the point. Under generally accepted accounting principles, I can turn a $4 million profit into a $2 million loss, and get every national accounting firm to agree with me.")
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:17 PM   #8
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I would love to see more depth in the financial side of the game. The best part is that it could be used by both online and offline players of the game. It is great additions like this that keep us coming back.
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Old 11-03-2016, 03:10 PM   #9
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In the past, I built a bunch of tools (mostly spreadsheets) to make financials in OOTP more realistic. I agree the game still needs work on this end.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...arketcalc.html
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Old 11-03-2016, 03:26 PM   #10
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The first thing I would say to make the finances more realistic is to use real-world pro baseball financial data as a reference point, both for the revenue and expense sides of the ledger.
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The first thing I would say to make the finances more realistic is to use real-world pro baseball financial data as a reference point, both for the revenue and expense sides of the ledger.
The problem with this is how many people play with unorthodox methods or historical situations that don't really measure with real world. I think if the financials were more logical period, then you could have mods added to simulate real world $ if people want that. I just want the math to work regardless and to be smarter about how teams deploy cash. Right now, it just doesn't make any sense.
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The problem with this is how many people play with unorthodox methods or historical situations that don't really measure with real world.
They can still spend what revenue they have in (pretty much) whatever way they want.

I firmly believe that it is possible to create a financial model that has a solid foundation in reality yet provides ample opportunity for customizing the particular financial elements of the user's baseball universe. Just as users can tailor their statistical environment which nonetheless has a basis in real-world baseball, the same ought to be the case for the financial side of the game.
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