Your Hall of Fame Snub

Jonzard · 10-15-2006, 03:49 AM

We all have personal preferences of guys who should be in the HOF. Some players have the numbers and it bothers you that they haven't been honored. Otherwise if they don't deserve it, you might have a soft spot in your heart for them.

For example, for some time I have been hoping Bert Blyleven would get into the hall. I am sure there are plenty of Twins fans in the same boat as myself. But recently I have found another player that I wish was in before Bert. Buck O'Neil has now become the #1 snubbed person I wish would get into the hall. I am sure he will get in next time, but it is a joke that he was denied last year with a lot of other negro leaguers entering. I am sure he will get put in next time, but it is a shame he is no longer alive to enjoy it.

So I ask: Who is your #1 snubbed person who you wish would be elected into the Hall of Fame?

Scoman · 10-15-2006, 04:01 AM

1- pete rose 2-jim rice

Skipaway · 10-15-2006, 04:47 AM

Derek Jeter

KurtBevacqua · 10-15-2006, 06:11 AM

Rich Gossage. Better than Sutter for a longer period of time. Arguable between he and Fingers as the best closer of the era (70's).

Blyleven is a close second. Way, way better than Don Sutton or Phil Niekro.

The Professor · 10-15-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

Rich Gossage. Better than Sutter for a longer period of time. Arguable between he and Fingers as the best closer of the era (70's).

Blyleven is a close second. Way, way better than Don Sutton or Phil Niekro.

Ted Simmons and the Goose are my pet snubs, but Bert and Buck are close seconds.

dsvitak · 10-15-2006, 10:00 AM

Gotta go with Blyleven, as well.

Can we take peeps out? THAT list is much longer.

Jason · 10-15-2006, 10:27 AM

Buck by a large margin. I felt that way even before he died.

cinredsfan2000 · 10-15-2006, 10:32 AM

#1-PETE ROSE
#2-JIM RICE
#3-Rich Gossage

marc · 10-15-2006, 10:41 AM

Art Monk

Recte44 · 10-15-2006, 11:10 AM

Ted Simmons, hands down.

How Ted Simmons ranks with catchers in the Hall of Fame

The Professor · 10-15-2006, 11:47 AM

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Ted Simmons, hands down.

How Ted Simmons ranks with catchers in the Hall of Fame

While O'Neil missing out by one vote (by a special committee of experts, to be fair) is especially ridiculous (in light of his recent passing), the Simmons debacle will always be the best example of the rank incompetence of the Baseball Writers as voters.

They treated Simba like he was a joke candidate, eliminating him in his first year from future ballots. Why? Probably because they believed their own writing about his "bad" defense and because he played DH late in his career. One of the best hitting catchers of all time and they cast him aside like he's Walt Weiss.

KurtBevacqua · 10-15-2006, 11:54 AM

I'm 50-50 on Simmons. He's certainly better than more than just a handful of catchers already in. And he was a very good player. But he never struck me as a dominant player. I guess I suffer from Johnny Bench blindness in his peer group.

And along those lines, Bill Freehan is probably worth a second look. He also is much better than a lot of guys in the Hall. Wasn't quite the hitter Simmons was, but was regarded as an excellent defensive catcher (6 gold gloves).

Cowboys3356 · 10-15-2006, 12:21 PM

Eric "The Red" Davis

Jordan · 10-15-2006, 12:53 PM

1. Buck O Neill
2. Ron Santo

Syd Thrift · 10-15-2006, 01:14 PM

I'm gonna do a pre-emptive strike for Edgar Martinez.

Prodigal Son · 10-15-2006, 03:03 PM

Dale Murphy, who was tremendous in a pitchers' era.

Jonzard · 10-15-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Dale Murphy, who was tremendous in a pitchers' era.

Is there a good era-adjusted analysis of him?

treedom · 10-15-2006, 03:20 PM

Kelly Gruber

notjaxmagicman · 10-15-2006, 03:27 PM

Alan Trammel, that MVP in 87 he was robbed of would have made the difference

dsvitak · 10-15-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

While O'Neil missing out by one vote (by a special committee of experts, to be fair) is especially ridiculous (in light of his recent passing), the Simmons debacle will always be the best example of the rank incompetence of the Baseball Writers as voters.

They treated Simba like he was a joke candidate, eliminating him in his first year from future ballots. Why? Probably because they believed their own writing about his "bad" defense and because he played DH late in his career. One of the best hitting catchers of all time and they cast him aside like he's Walt Weiss.

Yeah....I have always wondered about this one....damn shame, and Simmons is VERY deserving of strong HOF consideration.

Simmons was a longevity guy, with decent numbers.

Norm Cash also deserves strong consideration...check out HIS numbers. Sure, he ONLY hit .271...sure, he only hit 377 homers...BUT, his OPS+ for his career was 139, which is pretty damned good. This is higher than Tony Perez, or Orlando Cepeda. Not that THEY belong to the HOF, but still.

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KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I'm 50-50 on Simmons. He's certainly better than more than just a handful of catchers already in. And he was a very good player. But he never struck me as a dominant player. I guess I suffer from Johnny Bench blindness in his peer group. And along those lines, Bill Freehan is probably worth a second look. He also is much better than a lot of guys in the Hall. Wasn't quite the hitter Simmons was, but was regarded as an excellent defensive catcher (6 gold gloves). __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

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10-15-2006, 03:49 AM	#1
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Your Hall of Fame Snub We all have personal preferences of guys who should be in the HOF. Some players have the numbers and it bothers you that they haven't been honored. Otherwise if they don't deserve it, you might have a soft spot in your heart for them. For example, for some time I have been hoping Bert Blyleven would get into the hall. I am sure there are plenty of Twins fans in the same boat as myself. But recently I have found another player that I wish was in before Bert. Buck O'Neil has now become the #1 snubbed person I wish would get into the hall. I am sure he will get in next time, but it is a joke that he was denied last year with a lot of other negro leaguers entering. I am sure he will get put in next time, but it is a shame he is no longer alive to enjoy it. So I ask: Who is your #1 snubbed person who you wish would be elected into the Hall of Fame? __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB Last edited by Jonzard; 10-15-2006 at 05:25 PM.

10-15-2006, 04:01 AM	#2
Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,831	1- pete rose 2-jim rice

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Derek Jeter __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,395	Gotta go with Blyleven, as well. Can we take peeps out? THAT list is much longer.

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Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	Buck by a large margin. I felt that way even before he died.

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Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	Eric "The Red" Davis

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Jordan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 2,012	1. Buck O Neill 2. Ron Santo

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Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Dale Murphy, who was tremendous in a pitchers' era.

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notjaxmagicman Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 51 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Alan Trammel, that MVP in 87 he was robbed of would have made the difference