Casamayor Fight

zyberianwarrior · 03-22-2008, 10:45 PM

anyone watch this? Casamayor dominated early then lost it midway through got knocked through the ropes and then rallied to win cathing his opponent with a solid punch to the jaw. Then the post fight interview the two interperters were jaw jacking with each other HBO's guy started it Casamayor didn't understand and his interperter jumped right in. But Michael what is with that gladitor headger coming into the ring???? I thought it was a good fight.

Syd Thrift · 03-22-2008, 10:51 PM

If Joyce Carol Oates is right and every boxing match tells a story, this one was about a young kid who fought well and then wasted it with a stupid move in the 10th. After the 4th and 6th, I was really rooting for Katsidis, but what do you do? Casamayor did what he had to.

Most amusing moment for me: Casamayor saying Katsidis wasn't much of a puncher. If he's not much of a puncher, you don't have much of a chin, my man.

Bam Bam · 03-23-2008, 11:26 AM

great fight..Really enjoyed this one. Finally saw Pac/Marquez too. Thought Marquez won the fight but whatever...Public loves Pac.

meade95 · 03-23-2008, 12:49 PM

Agree - Very good fight - Excellent fight for action and contrasting styles...... Casamayor when "on"....is one tough SOB.....One of the top guys over the past decade at 135-130... Each of his losses could have went the other way......

He would give Nate Campbell a boxing lesson.......Though I still think Diaz would have a very good shot at beating him....via Decision....

Syd Thrift · 03-23-2008, 01:33 PM

Casamayor feels about Campbell the same way Wlad feels about Sam Peters. He beat him convincingly once; why should he have to fight him again?

hamed · 03-23-2008, 02:06 PM

^ If he beats Nate again, he'd have all the LW belts. That & more $'s since he has 9 mouths to feed might make him want Nate again.

Syd Thrift · 03-23-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

^ If he beats Nate again, he'd have all the LW belts. That & more $'s since he has 9 mouths to feed might make him want Nate again.

...and Wlad would gain a belt by beating Peters. So? If he's already convinced he is the lightweight champion, he doesn't need to prove it with a couple more worthless belts. Casamayor didn't just say he didn't care to fight Campbell, he said he wanted to fight (IIRC) Pac-Man or (I think) Guzman. As for the money, why wouldn't he get just as much if not more money fighting a highly-regarded small in a country that cares about small boxers?

Another thing going through Casamayor's mind probably is Diego Corrales. He TKO'd Corrales in 2003, then fought him again... and lost. That's the point about Campbell. It's not that it wouldn't be a good fight, it's that Casamayor has nothing to gain from it.

meade95 · 03-23-2008, 07:01 PM

A PacMan Vs Casamayor LW fight would definitely be interesting.......As I said, Casamayor is a hell of a boxer (who can and will fight dirty)...and will stand and trade as well......

I don't think PacMan will carry his power as well through LW (and certainly not JWW Vs ODLH or Hatton.....Both would stop PacMan inside 10 rounds)...

Casamayor has one hell of a chin....and could certainly outbox PacMan....... I don't PacMan camp takes the risk Vs him.....(though they may feel his age is up there...and he is ripe for the taking....) Pac's speed would give Casamayor lots of trouble.....

Katsidis.....can...and I belive will come back.....and win another world championship....

mh2365 · 03-24-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

If Joyce Carol Oates is right and every boxing match tells a story, this one was about a young kid who fought well and then wasted it with a stupid move in the 10th. After the 4th and 6th, I was really rooting for Katsidis, but what do you do? Casamayor did what he had to.

Most amusing moment for me: Casamayor saying Katsidis wasn't much of a puncher. If he's not much of a puncher, you don't have much of a chin, my man.

Good call ... I had Katsidis up 5 rounds to 4 going into the 10th. It's almost as if he forgot about the first round the way he started the 10th round, real careless and he got caught. I hate Casamayor but he is a great fighter.

hamed · 03-24-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

...and Wlad would gain a belt by beating Peters. So? If he's already convinced he is the lightweight champion, he doesn't need to prove it with a couple more worthless belts. Casamayor didn't just say he didn't care to fight Campbell, he said he wanted to fight (IIRC) Pac-Man or (I think) Guzman. As for the money, why wouldn't he get just as much if not more money fighting a highly-regarded small in a country that cares about small boxers?

Another thing going through Casamayor's mind probably is Diego Corrales. He TKO'd Corrales in 2003, then fought him again... and lost. That's the point about Campbell. It's not that it wouldn't be a good fight, it's that Casamayor has nothing to gain from it.

So? If Joel controls all the lightweight belts, Manny or any top fighter has to come to him to win the belt. If you were Manny's manager, who do you think Manny could beat more decisively, Nate or Joel?

Joel does have something to gain, all the belts so Manny could not claim any LW title if Joel is holding all 4.

mh2365 · 03-24-2008, 05:41 PM

Joel doesn't have all the belts .. I think he only has the WBO belt ... but he is the Ring Magazine champ.

meade95 · 03-24-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed

So? If Joel controls all the lightweight belts, Manny or any top fighter has to come to him to win the belt. If you were Manny's manager, who do you think Manny could beat more decisively, Nate or Joel?

Joel does have something to gain, all the belts so Manny could not claim any LW title if Joel is holding all 4.

Nate Campbell would be a much easier fight for PacMan than would Casamayor - Though beating Campbell for Pac will all be about if he can bring his power up to LW.....

hamed · 03-25-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Joel doesn't have all the belts .. I think he only has the WBO belt ... but he is the Ring Magazine champ.

Right but if he beat Nate, he would. I think most agree that Juan Diaz was the man @ LW before Nate took all his belts.

hamed · 03-25-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by meade95

Nate Campbell would be a much easier fight for PacMan than would Casamayor - Though beating Campbell for Pac will all be about if he can bring his power up to LW.....

Exactly! Joel showed me he had a lot more left than I thought he did. Good question, could Manny bring up that power to 135? Even a past his prime Joel could be slick enough to give Manny problems @ 135. If I were Roach, I'd try to fight Nate 1st to win the belts but if Joel fights Nate 1st & wins all the belts, Manny has to come to him to be a LW champ. Then Joel gets 2 more paydays at least.

I suppose they could go after David Diaz but I don't think many boxing people think he's really the champ @ LW.

meade95 · 03-25-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hamed

Exactly! Joel showed me he had a lot more left than I thought he did. Good question, could Manny bring up that power to 135? Even a past his prime Joel could be slick enough to give Manny problems @ 135. If I were Roach, I'd try to fight Nate 1st to win the belts but if Joel fights Nate 1st & wins all the belts, Manny has to come to him to be a LW champ. Then Joel gets 2 more paydays at least.

I suppose they could go after David Diaz but I don't think many boxing people think he's really the champ @ LW.

Exactly - Going after David Diaz would bring in a belt....but not the recognition that PacMan seems to be going for -

I don't believe Pac brings the same power up through 135 (and certainly not to JWW).

Nate Campbell fought a great fight Vs Juan Diaz.....Simple as that. I doubt Campbell ever repeats that performance.....In the past when pushed Campbell didn't step up.....he lost....I would take Juan over him in a rematch......(that doesn't take away from the great fight and win Campbell produced by taking the LW title).

A younger Joel Casamayor would have been very hard for Pac to beat (IMO). But Casamayor is getting older....(simple as that).... The risk / reward for Casamayor at this point only seems there if Casamayor IS the KING of the LWs..... (that is somewhat in debate now with Campbells win over Jaun).

I don't know where Pac goes from here - Talk of fighting at JWW - Don't buy it - He losses to both Hatton and ODLH...witout a doubt in my mind (nor Roach's)..... So why do that fight when there is plenty of money to be made at LW and JLW.....

PacMan will probably fight

D. Diaz (first). Let Campbell and Casamayor fight.....and fight the winner of them...... That would be my plan if I ran his team......(and that gives him a legit excuse not to face JMM again to boot).

hamed · 03-25-2008, 03:02 PM

Good points meade!

Looks like Manny does want Diaz:

Pacquiao prefers Diaz as next foe - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos

03-22-2008, 10:45 PM	#1
zyberianwarrior All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 1,598	Casamayor Fight anyone watch this? Casamayor dominated early then lost it midway through got knocked through the ropes and then rallied to win cathing his opponent with a solid punch to the jaw. Then the post fight interview the two interperters were jaw jacking with each other HBO's guy started it Casamayor didn't understand and his interperter jumped right in. But Michael what is with that gladitor headger coming into the ring???? I thought it was a good fight.

03-23-2008, 11:26 AM	#3
Bam Bam All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,027	great fight..Really enjoyed this one. Finally saw Pac/Marquez too. Thought Marquez won the fight but whatever...Public loves Pac. __________________ runs a 4.4 40..

03-23-2008, 12:49 PM	#4
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Agree - Very good fight - Excellent fight for action and contrasting styles...... Casamayor when "on"....is one tough SOB.....One of the top guys over the past decade at 135-130... Each of his losses could have went the other way...... He would give Nate Campbell a boxing lesson.......Though I still think Diaz would have a very good shot at beating him....via Decision....

03-23-2008, 02:06 PM	#6
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	^ If he beats Nate again, he'd have all the LW belts. That & more $'s since he has 9 mouths to feed might make him want Nate again.

03-23-2008, 07:01 PM	#8
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	A PacMan Vs Casamayor LW fight would definitely be interesting.......As I said, Casamayor is a hell of a boxer (who can and will fight dirty)...and will stand and trade as well...... I don't think PacMan will carry his power as well through LW (and certainly not JWW Vs ODLH or Hatton.....Both would stop PacMan inside 10 rounds)... Casamayor has one hell of a chin....and could certainly outbox PacMan....... I don't PacMan camp takes the risk Vs him.....(though they may feel his age is up there...and he is ripe for the taking....) Pac's speed would give Casamayor lots of trouble..... Katsidis.....can...and I belive will come back.....and win another world championship....

03-24-2008, 05:41 PM	#11
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Joel doesn't have all the belts .. I think he only has the WBO belt ... but he is the Ring Magazine champ.

03-25-2008, 03:02 PM	#16
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Good points meade! Looks like Manny does want Diaz: Pacquiao prefers Diaz as next foe - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos