Spain with non-existent baseball?

efgn · 07-20-2006, 05:29 PM

I have a question: Why Spain, according with OOTP, haven't any existent baseball level, if in real Spain exist amateur leagues?

This is a idea for correction for the next patch.

darkcloud4579 · 07-20-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efgn

I have a question: Why Spain, according with OOTP, haven't any existent baseball level, if in real Spain exist amateur leagues?

This is a idea for correction for the next patch.

No. You can change any of this info in the nations.txt file. Make India the next baseball power. Make Germany home to the best players in the world.

Do whatever you want. It's in your hands. lol

But no seriously, you can control all of this yourself. Just search for "nations.txt" or look in the mods areas, there are some other nations.txt files available.

Raidergoo · 07-20-2006, 05:56 PM

If you can document that Spain has some talent, I can request that the official file get edited.

Success in international play could support a boost.

jwstern · 07-20-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

If you can document that Spain has some talent, I can request that the official file get edited.

Success in international play could support a boost.

http://www.internationalbaseball.org/spain.htm

darkcloud4579 · 07-20-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

If you can document that Spain has some talent, I can request that the official file get edited.

Success in international play could support a boost.

The first two aren't surprising. They have long-running domestic leagues.

After that, is tho...

http://www.eurobaseball2005.cz/info/

2005 Euro "A" Championship final rankings
1. Netherlands
2. Italy
3. Spain
4. Germany
5. Czechia
6. France
7. Great Britain
8. Sweden
9. Greece
10. Ukraine
11. Russia
12. Croatia

More info and as I suspected, the team is full of people from Latin America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_n..._baseball_team

Raidergoo · 07-20-2006, 09:12 PM

I made TT # 2354. Below is my report.

Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level.

Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level. They should be one step down from the Netherlands. They definately should not be a zero.

Documentation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_n..._baseball_team

Zitofan75 · 07-20-2006, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I made TT # 2354. Below is my report.

Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level.

Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level. They should be one step down from the Netherlands. They definately should not be a zero.

Documentation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_n..._baseball_team

Awesome ...

OakDragon · 07-20-2006, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

The first two aren't surprising. They have long-running domestic leagues.

After that, is tho...

http://www.eurobaseball2005.cz/info/

2005 Euro "A" Championship final rankings
1. Netherlands
2. Italy
3. Spain
4. Germany
5. Czechia
6. France
7. Great Britain
8. Sweden
9. Greece
10. Ukraine
11. Russia
12. Croatia

More info and as I suspected, the team is full of people from Latin America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_n..._baseball_team

To be honest, having a "Top" 12 in Euro baseball is probably pushing the bounds of reality a bit.

Raidergoo · 07-20-2006, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakDragon

To be honest, having a "Top" 12 in Euro baseball is probably pushing the bounds of reality a bit.

Just because they play the game does not mean they are any good. Here's to hoping that one or more of those nations takes to baseball like the Japanese or Dominicans.

Zitofan75 · 07-20-2006, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Just because they play the game does not mean they are any good. Here's to hoping that one or more of those nations takes to baseball like the Japanese or Dominicans.

If Spain is in the top 3 they might just do it

Tycobbler · 07-20-2006, 10:46 PM

Of course everything can be found in the Customization manual to suit your needs

Carplos · 07-20-2006, 11:00 PM

The only problem with giving Spain a 2 is the way the game generate players. How many Spanish nationals are there in any significant leagues? Exactly.

Raidergoo · 07-20-2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carplos

The only problem with giving Spain a 2 is the way the game generate players. How many Spanish nationals are there in any significant leagues? Exactly.

Tis true, and with a 2 I imagine they will get two a decade.

They are clearly not a 0, and clearly are outclassed by the Netherlands. That gives two choices.

darkcloud4579 · 07-21-2006, 12:39 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisio...nor_de_Beisbol

darkcloud4579 · 07-21-2006, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakDragon

To be honest, having a "Top" 12 in Euro baseball is probably pushing the bounds of reality a bit.

Not true. There is even a European "B" Championships, which are all the countries not good enough to play in the main Euro Baseball Championships. Two teams out of that tournament get into the main tournament.

Germany was in the "B" the last time they had it...so...while its probably at the BEST Low-level "A-ball" and more like high school ball, considering that it's not their native sport, its pretty impressive that its that organized.

Consider how soccer is here and how its only popular for kids for the most part and that major soccer leagues excluding MLS are treated just as poorly as baseball is in these countries...only soccer is the world's most popular sport and baseball is a niche sport popular around the world, but only in pockets.

I think the baseball being popular there is more impressive, frankly, even if the level of play isn't that good.

dougaiton · 07-21-2006, 04:46 AM

Every single reasonably sized European country has amateur baseball leagues, Scotland, N. Ireland, France etc.

Sweden, Czech Republic, Holland, etc. deserve to be a '2' because they have pro/semi-pro leagues, and baseball is at least part of the 'sports culture'. Spain, Scotland, France etc. deserve to be '0' because their competitions are amateur and will never produce a potential MLB draftee.

Ratings >0 should be reserved for countries with some sort of 'talent production'/pro-competition set-up.

dougaiton · 07-21-2006, 04:50 AM

dola, here are the countries in the Euro-Federation of Baseball. No way that most of these countries are a '2':

# Countries
# Armenia
# Austria
# Belarus
# Belgium
# Bulgaria
# Croatia
# Cyprus
# Czech Republic
# Denmark
# Estonia
# Finland
# France
# Georgia
# Germany
# Great Britain
# Greece
# Hungary
# Israel
# Ireland
# Italy
# Lithuania
# Luxembourg
# Malta
# Moldova
# Netherlands
# Norway
# Poland
# Portugal
# Romania
# Russia
# San Marino
# Serbia-Montenegro
# Slovakia
# Slovenia
# Spain
# Sweden
# Switzerland
# Turkey
# Ukraine

Sdpm100 · 07-21-2006, 05:16 AM

I have no idea if these have been altered in the WIPs, but there seem to be some weird ideas on baseball quality.

Whilst Spain is "non-existent", those well renowned baseball hotbeds of Bulgaria and Armenia are rated "fair"

Now whilst I have no idea how it was worked out, it seems some countries are rated too highly in the default list, and some are rated too lowly.

dougaiton · 07-21-2006, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Whilst Spain is "non-existent", those well renowned baseball hotbeds of Bulgaria and Armenia are rated "fair"

Now whilst I have no idea how it was worked out, it seems some countries are rated too highly in the default list, and some are rated too lowly.

Actually, Bulgaria, Armenia and Spain have about the same level of baseball organisation, just not enough players of Bulgarian and Armenian descent in the US to bump up their national side. If you want to bump Spain to 'fair', I see no reason to drop Bulgaria.

EDIT: No, not Armenia. I forgot it was tiny. There's about 15 folk in the Armenian association. Oops. Bulgaria, however, has had a semi-pro baseball league since the late 1980s, has a better national side than Greece or Spain (if you take out 'naturalised Americans'. It's organisation is better than Spain's, I reckon.

Sdpm100 · 07-21-2006, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dougaiton

Actually, Bulgaria, Armenia and Spain have about the same level of baseball organisation, just not enough players of Bulgarian and Armenian descent in the US to bump up their national side. If you want to bump Spain to 'fair', I see no reason to drop Bulgaria and Armenia.

See I don't know what "Baseball Quality" actually means.
I thought it was the level of quality of players from that country. If it was, I don't see how Bulgaria and Armenia could ever be ahead of Spain.

07-20-2006, 05:29 PM	#1
efgn Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 67	Spain with non-existent baseball? I have a question: Why Spain, according with OOTP, haven't any existent baseball level, if in real Spain exist amateur leagues? This is a idea for correction for the next patch.

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07-21-2006, 04:46 AM	#16
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Every single reasonably sized European country has amateur baseball leagues, Scotland, N. Ireland, France etc. Sweden, Czech Republic, Holland, etc. deserve to be a '2' because they have pro/semi-pro leagues, and baseball is at least part of the 'sports culture'. Spain, Scotland, France etc. deserve to be '0' because their competitions are amateur and will never produce a potential MLB draftee. Ratings >0 should be reserved for countries with some sort of 'talent production'/pro-competition set-up. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC) Last edited by dougaiton; 07-21-2006 at 04:49 AM.

07-21-2006, 04:50 AM	#17
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	dola, here are the countries in the Euro-Federation of Baseball. No way that most of these countries are a '2': # Countries # Armenia # Austria # Belarus # Belgium # Bulgaria # Croatia # Cyprus # Czech Republic # Denmark # Estonia # Finland # France # Georgia # Germany # Great Britain # Greece # Hungary # Israel # Ireland # Italy # Lithuania # Luxembourg # Malta # Moldova # Netherlands # Norway # Poland # Portugal # Romania # Russia # San Marino # Serbia-Montenegro # Slovakia # Slovenia # Spain # Sweden # Switzerland # Turkey # Ukraine __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

07-20-2006, 05:56 PM	#3
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	If you can document that Spain has some talent, I can request that the official file get edited. Success in international play could support a boost.

07-20-2006, 09:12 PM	#6
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	I made TT # 2354. Below is my report. Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level. Please rate Spain a 2 on baseball level. They should be one step down from the Netherlands. They definately should not be a zero. Documentation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_n..._baseball_team

07-20-2006, 10:46 PM	#11
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07-20-2006, 11:00 PM	#12
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,908 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	The only problem with giving Spain a 2 is the way the game generate players. How many Spanish nationals are there in any significant leagues? Exactly.

07-21-2006, 05:16 AM	#18
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	I have no idea if these have been altered in the WIPs, but there seem to be some weird ideas on baseball quality. Whilst Spain is "non-existent", those well renowned baseball hotbeds of Bulgaria and Armenia are rated "fair" Now whilst I have no idea how it was worked out, it seems some countries are rated too highly in the default list, and some are rated too lowly.