A Bad Day In Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood

enuttage · 06-29-2005, 10:49 PM

Geez Mr. Rogers.

What gives? First the cooler, then the camera.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

tim_uwrf · 06-29-2005, 10:56 PM

I literally just watched the video.

He's a spaz, over an article?? Wow.

enuttage · 06-29-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tim_uwrf

I literally just watched the video.

He's a spaz, over an article?? Wow.

What was the article about? His childish water cooler behavior, I presume?

abailey3313 · 06-29-2005, 11:31 PM

And I've heard that he's asking something like $12.5M for two years from the Rangers. I read somewhere that they "gagged" at the offer. I can't say I blame them.

IatricSB · 06-29-2005, 11:57 PM

Roid rage

enuttage · 06-29-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

Roid rage

The first thing I thought.

fantom1979 · 06-30-2005, 12:43 AM

Anyone have a link to the video?

Jonzard · 06-30-2005, 01:09 AM

I hope he comes back to pitch a great game. Then I can trade him from my fantasy squad.

asamford · 06-30-2005, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fantom1979

Anyone have a link to the video?

I can't seem to link to it, but on the front page of espn.com they've got a link that says "Rogers vs. cameraman" that has the video footage.

Jason Moyer · 06-30-2005, 02:54 AM

What a jackass.

Y0DA55 · 06-30-2005, 02:58 AM

Wow. I wish I knew the whole story. Someone doesn't get that pissed off by just a camera hanging out there.

Gastric ReFlux · 06-30-2005, 05:58 AM

He seems a bit angry. Perhaps this guy could help:

edrooney · 06-30-2005, 07:27 AM

``His comment to me was, `I didn't handle this right. I'm frustrated. My integrity and toughness is being called into question,''' Hart said.

Oh, well, that's OK then. I never get frustrated at work. And if I did, I think it would be understandable if I picked up my boss' monitor and threw it to the ground. And heaven forbid his toughness gets called into question when he confronts a cameraman.

Hope he gets done for assault.

phenom · 06-30-2005, 07:31 AM

It's my fault.

Since I picked him up for my fantasy team, he's given up six runs in 3 and 1/3, broken his hand, pushed over two cameramen, and ended up on the wrong side of an assault charge.

Sorry.

kq76 · 06-30-2005, 07:55 AM

I dunno. The media is getting blamed for more and more things everyday. I don't work with the media, but even I do it. It doesn't excuse his actions, but maybe we need to look at the apparent cause of the problem instead of just the effect. It seems to me like the media is too free to publish things that they have next to no evidence for. Maybe we need to seriously look into putting some limits on all that.

enuttage · 06-30-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Maybe we need to seriously look into putting some limits on all that.

Those limits are called libel and slander, and you win large amounts of money if you sue and prove it.

I'd still like to see the article in question.

-E

kq76 · 06-30-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by enuttage

Those limits are called libel and slander, and you win large amounts of money if you sue and prove it.

I'd still like to see the article in question.

Yes, but that doesn't seem to stop them much. Maybe the damages just need to be a whole lot larger. I was thinking about limits before the fact, not after.

Originally I meant to add about how there seems to be more editorializing than reporting going on, but I see I forgot that. I don't think we have any limits on that, but I'm not sure we should.

And yes, I'd like to see the article too.

enuttage · 06-30-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Yes, but that doesn't seem to stop them much. Maybe the damages just need to be a whole lot larger.

My only problem right now is allowances for the Paparazzi types that literally barely give you enough physical space to move, and don't allow you to use the head without interference.

THAT is inhuman, IMO.

Otherwise, if you're in public, I figure you'd best be ready to get filmed or have your picture taken. If it's used inappropriately, call the legal team.

And damages are assessed via jury, so you can score some serious punitive damages off a case. I believe we've crested well over the $200M mark in damages in a case now. Not sure if that stood or was overturned, but still. That's big money.

Public figures have a harder time winning their cases and have to prove 'actual malice' in the case. I can see how that might be alterable, but somewhere between the 'actual malice' clause and the older 'truth is an absolute defense' clause would be some nice middle ground, IMO.

-E

kq76 · 06-30-2005, 09:24 AM

I wasn't up on my definition of actual malice, but I looked it up and it says:

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1. The knowledge that defamatory statements esp. regarding a public figure are false
2. reckless disregard of the truth see also public figure New York Times Co. v. Sullivan in the important cases section

So yeah, I have to agree with you. "Actual malice" sounds a bit too far. I'm one of those people that believes you can't really ever know something completely for certain, so I think it would be next to impossible to prove to me that someone "knew" something to be false. Reckless disregard for the truth OTOH, seems much easier to convince someone of. With the advertising-selling et al motives that the media has to come up with stories that will capture the people's attention, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a reckless disregard for the truth. Sufficient quantity and quality of sources could combat that. (EDIT: But if you don't give up your sources, how can one determine whether they were quality sources?) Do you have to only prove one or both?

swampdragon · 06-30-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kq76

I dunno. The media is getting blamed for more and more things everyday. I don't work with the media, but even I do it. It doesn't excuse his actions, but maybe we need to look at the apparent cause of the problem instead of just the effect. It seems to me like the media is too free to publish things that they have next to no evidence for. Maybe we need to seriously look into putting some limits on all that.

That had nothing to do with this one. Rogers broke his finger punching a water cooler. That was confirmed by Showalter and isn't disputed by anyone. He just didn't like being asked why he was so stupid. Who would? But the media bears no part of the blame this time.

06-29-2005, 10:49 PM	#1
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	A Bad Day In Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood Geez Mr. Rogers. What gives? First the cooler, then the camera. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."* Last edited by enuttage; 06-29-2005 at 10:51 PM.

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abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	And I've heard that he's asking something like $12.5M for two years from the Rangers. I read somewhere that they "gagged" at the offer. I can't say I blame them. __________________

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06-29-2005, 10:56 PM	#2
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	I literally just watched the video. He's a spaz, over an article?? Wow.

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Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	Wow. I wish I knew the whole story. Someone doesn't get that pissed off by just a camera hanging out there. __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	He seems a bit angry. Perhaps this guy could help: Last edited by Gastric ReFlux; 06-30-2005 at 07:30 AM.

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edrooney All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 688 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	``His comment to me was, `I didn't handle this right. I'm frustrated. My integrity and toughness is being called into question,''' Hart said. Oh, well, that's OK then. I never get frustrated at work. And if I did, I think it would be understandable if I picked up my boss' monitor and threw it to the ground. And heaven forbid his toughness gets called into question when he confronts a cameraman. Hope he gets done for assault. __________________ I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.

06-30-2005, 07:31 AM	#14
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,774	It's my fault. Since I picked him up for my fantasy team, he's given up six runs in 3 and 1/3, broken his hand, pushed over two cameramen, and ended up on the wrong side of an assault charge. Sorry.

06-30-2005, 07:55 AM	#15
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,044	I dunno. The media is getting blamed for more and more things everyday. I don't work with the media, but even I do it. It doesn't excuse his actions, but maybe we need to look at the apparent cause of the problem instead of just the effect. It seems to me like the media is too free to publish things that they have next to no evidence for. Maybe we need to seriously look into putting some limits on all that.