Moving a P to RF during a game

Lucas718 · 08-13-2023, 08:01 PM

Is it not possible to move a pitcher to another position in the field during a game? I have a 2-way player for the first time ever, and while he's not Shohei Ohtani or anything like that, he is useful as both a reliever and a RF.

So I brought him in as a reliever and after pitching an inning, I decided to move him to RF and let him finish the game there. The game would not let me change his position.

Am I missing something or is this not possible?

snepp · 08-13-2023, 08:25 PM

DH league?

Brad K · 08-13-2023, 08:29 PM

I've never tried it and I don't manage games anymore but I think this should be allowed even without two way players. It did happen in the past where a manager would bring in a RP to face a batter or two and keep the previous pitcher in the game by putting him in the outfield for a batter or two.

Or we have the incident where the Pirates had sold long time reliever Roy Face to Detroit for their 1968 pennant run and got him into one more game to set some sort of record. I don't remember that part.

Anyway here's the game. Note how they handled the pitching box.

Aug 31 68 box

Lucas718 · 08-14-2023, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snepp

DH league?

Yes

Lucas718 · 08-14-2023, 08:18 PM

No one has tried this?

snepp · 08-14-2023, 09:35 PM

I don't play out many games and haven't messed with in-game managing two-way players, but this is how I'd do it for a player that didn't start in the field and is coming in as a reliever.

Basic method, DH comes out of the game, pitcher takes his place in the lineup.

- Click the "Remove designated hitter" button, this will remove the DH (and the player) from the game and insert the pitcher to that spot in the lineup.
- Assign that pitcher the position you want them to play (RF)
- Drag your new pitcher into the lineup in place of the player you would like to remove from the game (the previous RF)
- Set the position of the new pitcher to "P", it will ask for confirmation that you want them to enter the game to pitch

Alternatively if you want the current DH to stay in the game somewhere for whatever reason. Let's say I want my pitcher in left field, my left fielder moves to right field, and I want my current DH to stay in the game at 1st. This means that both the current first baseman and right fielder would be leaving the game.

- Set the position of the DH to either "LF" or "1B". Whichever one you pick the previous players spot will turn into the new pitcher's spot in the lineup and they will be removed from the game. I'll choose 1B.
- The DH is now listed as 1B in the lineup, while the old 1B spot is now the pitcher.
- Change the position of your pitcher to "LF", the old left fielder will now show "-" as their position
- Drag your new pitcher into place of the old left fielder
- Set the position of this new pitcher to "P"

Dunno if this is quite what you're looking for, but it's what I've got.

Edit: Got ahead of myself and didn't actually move my left fielder to right, the example still works, just a different player came out of the game.

snepp · 08-14-2023, 09:51 PM

Here's what the box looks like after that second example (ignore NY, it's a spring training game).

Lucas718 · 08-15-2023, 09:09 PM

@snepp - Thanks! Using your method, I was able to pull this off. It seems the steps have to be done in the exact right order or you'll lose your P and your DH. Happened to me the first time. I had done everything right up until bringing in the new pitcher... instead of dragging him over to the spot in the lineup where the DH was, I just moved him from the warming up spot to the Now Pitching spot and it messed everything up with no way to undo.

So at least I've concluded that it can be done, but it's clunky and should really be made a lot easier

snepp · 08-15-2023, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas718

@snepp - Thanks! Using your method, I was able to pull this off. It seems the steps have to be done in the exact right order or you'll lose your P and your DH.

No problem.

And yes, if you don't do the steps in the right order you will screw it up. I did it twice trying to walk through the steps properly, this was attempt #3.

snepp · 08-15-2023, 09:24 PM

The first time I did it I made the mistake of switching the outfielder's position to "P" before trying to drag the new reliever in. I have the 3-batter minimum rule set, so my outfielder was forced to pitch. Oops.

Lucas718 · 08-15-2023, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snepp

The first time I did it I made the mistake of switching the outfielder's position to "P" before trying to drag the new reliever in. I have the 3-batter minimum rule set, so my outfielder was forced to pitch. Oops.

Ouch.

Syd Thrift · 08-23-2023, 05:52 PM

You *do* lose the DH if you move your pitcher to a new position in the field though, don't you? I am sure I'm missing something big here but where I do remember this happening in the past, it was in the NL (like I know the Cards used to push Todd Worrell into the outfield to bring in a LOOGY and then swap him back to pitcher when righties were up again). With the Angels and Shohei, I want to say there was some kind of special dispensation given to specifically allow a team to swap out for a new DH when the pitcher was expressly also kind of the DH for the game...

snepp · 08-23-2023, 08:29 PM

Yes, the DH will be gone. The Shohei rule isn't for getting a "new" DH though, its just for allowing the pitcher to remain as the DH when a new pitcher enters the game. OOTP has the setting to model that rule.

08-13-2023, 08:01 PM	#1
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 400	Moving a P to RF during a game Is it not possible to move a pitcher to another position in the field during a game? I have a 2-way player for the first time ever, and while he's not Shohei Ohtani or anything like that, he is useful as both a reliever and a RF. So I brought him in as a reliever and after pitching an inning, I decided to move him to RF and let him finish the game there. The game would not let me change his position. Am I missing something or is this not possible?

08-14-2023, 09:35 PM	#6
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	I don't play out many games and haven't messed with in-game managing two-way players, but this is how I'd do it for a player that didn't start in the field and is coming in as a reliever. Basic method, DH comes out of the game, pitcher takes his place in the lineup. - Click the "Remove designated hitter" button, this will remove the DH (and the player) from the game and insert the pitcher to that spot in the lineup. - Assign that pitcher the position you want them to play (RF) - Drag your new pitcher into the lineup in place of the player you would like to remove from the game (the previous RF) - Set the position of the new pitcher to "P", it will ask for confirmation that you want them to enter the game to pitch Alternatively if you want the current DH to stay in the game somewhere for whatever reason. Let's say I want my pitcher in left field, my left fielder moves to right field, and I want my current DH to stay in the game at 1st. This means that both the current first baseman and right fielder would be leaving the game. - Set the position of the DH to either "LF" or "1B". Whichever one you pick the previous players spot will turn into the new pitcher's spot in the lineup and they will be removed from the game. I'll choose 1B. - The DH is now listed as 1B in the lineup, while the old 1B spot is now the pitcher. - Change the position of your pitcher to "LF", the old left fielder will now show "-" as their position - Drag your new pitcher into place of the old left fielder - Set the position of this new pitcher to "P" Dunno if this is quite what you're looking for, but it's what I've got. Edit: Got ahead of myself and didn't actually move my left fielder to right, the example still works, just a different player came out of the game. Last edited by snepp; 08-14-2023 at 10:10 PM.

08-14-2023, 09:51 PM	#7
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	Here's what the box looks like after that second example (ignore NY, it's a spring training game). Attached Images

08-13-2023, 08:25 PM	#2
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	DH league?

08-13-2023, 08:29 PM	#3
Brad K Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,693 Infractions: 0/2 (4)	I've never tried it and I don't manage games anymore but I think this should be allowed even without two way players. It did happen in the past where a manager would bring in a RP to face a batter or two and keep the previous pitcher in the game by putting him in the outfield for a batter or two. Or we have the incident where the Pirates had sold long time reliever Roy Face to Detroit for their 1968 pennant run and got him into one more game to set some sort of record. I don't remember that part. Anyway here's the game. Note how they handled the pitching box. Aug 31 68 box

08-14-2023, 08:18 PM	#5
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 400	No one has tried this?

08-15-2023, 09:09 PM	#8
Lucas718 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 400	@snepp - Thanks! Using your method, I was able to pull this off. It seems the steps have to be done in the exact right order or you'll lose your P and your DH. Happened to me the first time. I had done everything right up until bringing in the new pitcher... instead of dragging him over to the spot in the lineup where the DH was, I just moved him from the warming up spot to the Now Pitching spot and it messed everything up with no way to undo. So at least I've concluded that it can be done, but it's clunky and should really be made a lot easier

08-15-2023, 09:24 PM	#10
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	The first time I did it I made the mistake of switching the outfielder's position to "P" before trying to drag the new reliever in. I have the 3-batter minimum rule set, so my outfielder was forced to pitch. Oops.

08-23-2023, 08:29 PM	#13
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,481	Yes, the DH will be gone. The Shohei rule isn't for getting a "new" DH though, its just for allowing the pitcher to remain as the DH when a new pitcher enters the game. OOTP has the setting to model that rule.