Pre-defined draft values

[Reed]

Please correct me if I am wrong.
It is my understanding that pre-defined draft values has not been updated since Spritze’s passing. I think the last time it was updated was around 2020.
Can this feature be updated or a new honcho be found to work on it?
It is much to easy to fleece the AI using the games standard draft.

Thanks

[Reed]

The attachments are from a 1901-2015 random league. One attachment using pre defined draft values and the other not using pre defined draft values. Notice using pre defined SP pitchers are taken in first round. Not using pre defined draft value (two years later) Tom Candiotti was first SP selected but he wasn't taken until middle of third round. This is very typical. Pre defined I think most will agree is much more realistic but it is no longer being maintained and the other option is basically broken. If it means anything I have potential set to remaining career.

[David Watts]

Another great suggestion from Reed.

[Scoman]

Ive been wanting this for awhile now....seems like nobody wants to own this on the team.

[Garlon]

I created the original pre-defined draft values somewhere around ootp10 because at that time the computer controlled teams were not very good at drafting and the values made it more competitive.

However, I think OOTP currently looks at its own calculated version of player WAR for their first 5-6 seasons of their career when drafting when you are not using pre-defined values and this actually works very well in historical leagues.

For that example of random debut leagues it is possible that the game is not handling the draft in the same way though.

Having said all that, I recently recalculated the pre-defined draft values for all players in history based on their career Runs Created, and yes there is a formula for pitchers runs created to so that they can be evaluated against position players properly. We would need to update the game files with these new values.

I think a balanced option would be to have OOTP use the predefined values for perhaps the first round or first two rounds and then draft for team needs to fill their depth charts. However, OOTP could probably do this anyway using WAR and it should be very similar.

[Reed]

Originally Posted by Garlon

I created the original pre-defined draft values somewhere around ootp10 because at that time the computer controlled teams were not very good at drafting and the values made it more competitive.

However, I think OOTP currently looks at its own calculated version of player WAR for their first 5-6 seasons of their career when drafting when you are not using pre-defined values and this actually works very well in historical leagues.

For that example of random debut leagues it is possible that the game is not handling the draft in the same way though.

Having said all that, I recently recalculated the pre-defined draft values for all players in history based on their career Runs Created, and yes there is a formula for pitchers runs created to so that they can be evaluated against position players properly. We would need to update the game files with these new values.

I think a balanced option would be to have OOTP use the predefined values for perhaps the first round or first two rounds and then draft for team needs to fill their depth charts. However, OOTP could probably do this anyway using WAR and it should be very similar.

Oh my goodness. I definitely agree. Up until 2020 I would do the pre defined draft value for the 1st round and then turn off the predefined value for the following rounds to make sure the teams needs were met.
It would be great if somehow we could as users put in some control/options in how the game comes up with its list. For example something like the following options that the user could select.

1. WAR value for next 3 years
2. WAR value for career
or
3. WAR value for 3 peak years.

Do the above for 2 rounds of the rookie draft and and then the following rounds focus on team’s needs. For example if team needs a catcher, AI will select the catcher with best WAR value for next 3 years.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Garlon

Having said all that, I recently recalculated the pre-defined draft values for all players in history based on their career Runs Created, and yes there is a formula for pitchers runs created to so that they can be evaluated against position players properly. We would need to update the game files with these new values.

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When will this be updated in the game?

[Garlon]

Here is an example of the 2001 debut class based on baseball reference WAR and based on RC.


Top 30 players debuting in 2001 by WAR:

1. Pujols 101.4
2. Sabathia 62.3
3. Suzuki 60.0
4. Oswalt 50.0
5. C. Zambrano 43.9
6. Beckett 35.7
7. Roberts 29.5
8. Pena 25.5
9. Dickey 23.7
10. Wilson 23.5
11. Sheets 23.2
12. Uribe 22.6
13. Eckstein 20.9
14. Rowand 20.9
15. Inge 19.2
16. Lohse 18.9
17. Benoit 17.9
18. Dunn 17.9
19. Cuddyer 17.8
20. Giles 16.7
21. Overbay 16.5
22. Punto 15.4
23. Johnson 14.5
24. Everett 12.6
25. Shields 12.1
26. Jennings 11.2
27. Wilkerson 11.0
28. Fuentes 10.5
29. Duchscherer 9.9
30. Cust 9.4


Top 30 players debuting in 2001 by RC (my new values):

1. Pujols 2349
2. Sabathia 1707
3. Suzuki 1476
4. Oswalt 1170
5. Dunn 1129
6. C. Zambrano 971
7. Beckett 956
8. Lohse 950
9. Cuddyer 826
10. Dickey 811
11. Pena 790
12. Roberts 787
13. Sheets 733
14. Overbay 713
15. Uribe 612
16. Benoit 610
17. Rowand 591
18. Inge 571
19. Lopez 541
20. Wilson 523
21. Podsednik 493
22. Rivera 474
23. Hillenbrand 465
24. Johnson 455
25. Wilkerson 455
26. Giles 431
27. Jennings 419
28. Gibbons 416
29. Shields 408
30. Izturis 397



Top 30 players debuting in 2001 by Draft Value (OOTP value):

1. Pujols 6570
2. Dunn 5398
3. Sabathia 3848
4. Pena 3131
5. Lohse 2812
6. Oswalt 2560
7. Beckett 2417
8. C. Zambrano 2188
9. Dickey 2082
10. Overbay 1976
11. Sheets 1715
12. Benoit 1692
13. Cuddyer 1623
14. Uribe 1616
15. Suzuki 1583
16. Fuentes 1431
17. Inge 1330
18. Jennings 1251
19. Roberts 1244
20. Chacon 1242
21. Fogg 1194
22. Lyon 1174
23. Kennedy 1044
24. Baez 1035
25. Johnson 1033
26. Lopez 1002
27. Balfour 958
28. Lawrence 942
29. Redding 928
30. V. Zambrano 909

I have no idea what the Draft Values in OOTP are referencing. Even though I created the system, at some point my values were probably replaced with some other formula. The game file seems to be the poorest rankings of these options.

With RC there is not a positional adjustment like there is with WAR.

Something to consider is that OOTP could for example always look at the top 3 players remaining with either WAR or RC and draft per the needs of the team so that no player ever falls very far in the draft while permitting some flexibility.

Note: The values for batter RC are not exactly the same as what is featured on baseball reference. For example, on BR Pujols has 2298 and on my list he has 2349.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Garlon

Having said all that, I recently recalculated the pre-defined draft values for all players in history based on their career Runs Created, and yes there is a formula for pitchers runs created to so that they can be evaluated against position players properly. We would need to update the game files with these new values.

Garlon ,Thank you for updating the pre-defined draft values,will the update be in the next patch?

[Garlon]

I have posted a historical draft class cheat sheet in the historical forum.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...48#post5146248

[gsp123]

This is amazing, I've been looking for something like this for a while. Started compiling a list myself but just don't have the time. By any chance, is there a version of this list that include the debut teams? I like to play in re-draft sims but I tend to draft the first round or two with teams legacy players.

[Scoman]

All this info is located at Baseball reference.....https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...0-debuts.shtml

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by Garlon

I have posted a historical draft class cheat sheet in the historical forum.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...48#post5146248

When will this be updated in the game Garlon? It would be beneficial to the AI in draft leagues.