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Old 09-27-2022, 03:15 PM   #58
darkcloud4579
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Originally Posted by Sweed View Post
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I have edited this post and added other things to the list of "too many (whatever stat). I guess I should have at the beginning instead of relying on "etc. etc. etc." that I thought would convey the message that it wasn't just HRs. Nothing wrong with discussing the HR issue some have but, it wasn't the intent of the thread to highlight that issue. The intent was to show, using data, how AC works for me. Too many times users post an issue without data and don't even give AC a try as a way to fix their issue because someone posted "it doesn't work". It's an effort to curb the "too many (pick your stat)" that are done without context. With data one can, as we are seeing with HR here, have a discussion. Without data and context there isn't much do discuss IMHO. End of edit.


Every year autocalc is questioned on these boards. Users tell other users "AC doesn't work", "I get unrealistic stats", "HR leaders with way too many", "too many balks", "too many wild pitches", "SB success too high" etc. etc. etc. Rarely do posters actually post data. If someone (I've done this many times) posts in the thread with data in context with the league and invites others to do so? Well, the thread will usually come to a crashing halt and dies. Why don't the anti-AC reply with data?

I just completed my first season in v23 and am going to share the results. The league was autocalced, manually, on opening day so the rosters were settled. Note that I did the AC "manually". Some have said that the "automatically run AC" doesn't seem to work. Why one would work and the other not? Who knows. All I know is I've always done AC manually and it has never given me any issues. I'll first post some data with LT and output along with some thoughts.

Also screens of the "stats&ai" screen. This will not only show the LT and LTM's but also the generic strategies of the league for context. Screens of league batting, pitching, fielding, and leaders. I didn't use the sortable stat screen but rather the league wide one so you could get a quick look at all categories and the top "7 to 10 ish" or so in each.

It would be nice if users would post, at a minimum, their LT and League Batting, Pitching, or whatever is needed to see their problem in context. IE too many HR by leaders? Please post LT, League Batting, and HR leaders. This will help show whether you have an actual AC issue or maybe a stat distribution issue that would be caused by ratings. Simply saying "too many of x,y, or z" doesn't really tell anyone anything. IOW if your LT is set to 4500 HR, your league hits 4500, but the leader hits 120 you have a distribution issue. The AC worked as intended as it did influence the league to output 4500 HRs.

I would hope users, both new and old, instead of reading posts that say "don't use AC" will actually try it for themselves before dismissing it all together.

I will also add in that I play with default PCM, talent changes, aging, etc. etc. I have no idea how these affect the game. I would submit that changing these will still not break AC. What they may do is cause "stat distribution issues".

Onto the reports..

LT.... OOTP output
Code:
AB   167.353   166.161
H     44.522    42.489
Dbl    8.919     8.500
Tr       898       891
HR     5.120     4.742
BB    16.222    16.410
HBP    1.850     1.848
K     31.828    31.511
BABIP   .297      .288

Slash  .266/.338/.422    .256/.327/.403
The following are real life numbers though long enough ago I don't know from what year they came.

Real..... OOTP

Code:
DP     3817    4160
WP     1458    1750
Balk    146     133
SB Att 3839    2760
SB%    .734    .641

SB attempts low, probably because of General Strategic Tendencies. IE set to "normal" in the
context of OOTP23 and today's baseball. My 3839 RL attempts would be from early 2000's.

Success rate at only .641 is surprising as the game was started with the earliest build of v23
and the "too easy to steal" bug(?). My success rate was only 51% again, with the it's too easy
to steal for the human bug(?). Probably the patch fix working with my prefix modifiers is the
cause?

HR and doubles a bit low in the total but... as a percentage of total hits? They are spot on.

Note the HBP, Balk, and WP numbers are right where they should be. You know, the numbers that
are always questioned every year on the forums. But when one suggests autocalc will make them
"right" they are met with "I was told to not use autocalc because it screws thing up".

This season is pretty much the norm for me using AC. The batting average is actually a bit farther off than usual being .010 low. It's usually with in 0.005 but still, the 0.010 is only 3-4% off. Acceptable to me and, could end up being my outlier in v23. Have to wait 'til next season's end to find out.

Screenshots...
Great thread thanks for boosting this convo. I never used to use autocalc, now I swear by it to keep my leagues relatively static statistically, I'm not interested in having evolving eras, I like baseline stats so I can compare eras easily and having totals where I want and autocalc to regulate as the league expands, etc., is super handy.
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