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Old 04-06-2022, 02:16 PM   #7
Syd Thrift
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the suggestions above are already in 23 so...

Another big thing I've noticed is that when you simulate leagues for an extended period of time, particularly when you have injuries turned up to the "realistic modern day" setting, older pitchers who threw a lot of innings when they were younger are almost never able to start as they get older. To some extent this *should* be rare but... it's not just that these guys wind up missing a couple months a year or whatever, it's that they suffer in-game injuries *so* often that, like, they can't even average 5 innings per start. And there's this perverse anti-incentive that because this pretty much always happens to workhorses, the only 35+ year old pitchers who can continue to start are ones who were crap when they were 25-30 years old.

There are a couple ways I'd love to see this fixed:

- Bill James once commented that virtually every pitcher in the league had at one point the talent to pitch well but most pitchers are either young/wild/not developed, are playing through an injury, or are coming back from one. The game handles *some* of this, like I do see permanent losses of Stuff in particular from long-term issues (in fact, there's a guy on a team right now whom I'm almost positive lost his control from a several-month injury). But some of it, maybe not as much?

- This may seem like anathema to those who want to have all data constantly available to them but I feel like some pitchers should have injuries that are not disclosed but simply cause them to underperform. At best perhaps you notice it by playing out the games and noticing a loss of velocity or it's part of a similar story. How often does it happen that a guy has a bad year and then it turns out he had an elbow injury? It's not even always "hiding" per se; a lot of the time it's hard to tell what's a real injury and what are normal everyday aches and pains. In any case, sometimes you just don't know until it exhibits in a bigger injury that requires a lot of time off, or they just underplay their shown ratings until you or happenstance choose to rest them.

- I *feel* like there ought to be some way to handle the chances of getting a catastrophic injury above and beyond prior ones. Some pitchers have motions that you can look at and just say "yeah, that's an injury waiting to happen". Other guys, well, they can pitch into

- I also feel like the biggest injury cause should be fatigue. You really ought to be able to manage one of those "Wrecked" guys by holding them to 100 pitches a start instead of watching them throw 120 one start and 40 before they get arm soreness in another. These guys might also be good candidates for hidden injuries that saps their stuff as well. But, for another real-life example, Nolan Ryan basically pitched the last decade and a half of his career under pitch limits, and yeah, his career did end with a catastrophic arm injury but he was also 47 when that happened. Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux and Roger Clemens somehow never got to "Wrecked" status (well, I guess we know how the Rocket avoided that). I just feel like there has to be some kind of built-in proneness that goes beyond injury history.

- The suggestion atop my suggestion about individual pitches having additional proneness chances is a good one, though here too it should probably differ by pitcher - Randy Johnson threw a hard slider throughout his career but that's often viewed as a somewhat dangerous pitch. Steve Stone kind of famously mortgaged the rest of his career in 1980 by throwing like 80% curves that year - he won the Cy Young but his entire post-1980 career consisted of one 4-7, 4.60 ERA season. I don't know that I necessarily want human players to be able to hugely micro what pitches a guy should be throwing, etc., but this would be a nice addition, at the least help tip off GMs as to what pitchers they might want to avoid.
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