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Originally Posted by XxCardinal42xX
I am not saying he doesn't deserve it, so you totally misconcepted me. My reply was that most OSU fans that I know of cry and complain when they dont get what they want, and normally overvalue their team as well. Before you ask, no, I'm not a Michigan fan. I actually live in Ohio, so I'm close to the team and hear alot about it, etc...
Anyways, sure Hawk had better stats that you listed. What about some other stats that people easily overlook(not sure who was better, just asking). Like how were opposing teams on 3rd down, 3rd and shorts? 4th downs? How many tackles for loss on 2nd and 3rd downs? Or how many DP's did the player have? Pressuring the QB and forcing a play on 3rd down, or focing an INT/Fumble and shifting field position, etc...What about SPECIAL TEAMS? Counts as DEFENSE to me. Just little stats out there in key situations which IMO ultimately determine games. It somewhere along the lines obviously had an effect in the OSU/PSU game. Somewhere along the lines PSU was better than OSU on defense...they did win afterall.
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Alright, well I guess we're in similar situations, I lived in PA for 15 years and I got the same perception of PSU fans that you seem to have for OSU fans.
As for the stats you are talking about, I mentioned that Hawk had more forced fumbles and INT's. Poz didn't record an INT and I'm pretty sure he only had 1 FF if any at all. As far as pressuring the QB and things of that nature, Hawk was in the top 5 in the Big Ten in sacks, Poz was not, Hawk surely had more QB hurries than Poz. If you wanna count special teams, Hawk had a blocked punt return for a TD, again, Poz did not have a blocked punt nor did he score a TD this year.
I don't agree that because PSU beat OSU that you can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that PSU's defense played better. Troy Smith was horrible that game and threw an unforced INT into triple coverage that gave PSU the ball at the 2 yard line and essentially was the difference in the game.
OSU's defense led the Big Ten in 3 and outs which is why Hawk played fewer plays, yet was still able to put up better numbers.
Anyways, I'm really starting to feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but it's pretty hard for anyone to logically look at the situation and justify Poz winning both the Bednarik and Butkus over Hawk.