MLB 2023 Season - Page 47

Amazin69 · 09-20-2023, 10:54 AM

I would have understood if Snell had cited a physical issue ("I was feeling tired" or "my arm was starting to tighten up") even though pitchers used to endure those regularly. ("Here, have a cortisone shot. Don't forget to use the diathermy machine to loosen up before you go home. Remember, you're starting Monday*, so put some ice on there to prevent swelling.")

(*-Yes, Monday. Snell has five days of rest before his next start, with the Pads still theoretically alive, for now.)

Even an indirect physical complaint ("my velocity was starting to drop") would count for something.

But no, Snell was terrified for his health because of nothing but the number of pitches he had thrown. He was afraid of a number.

Snell is of course a pending free agent, so I as well am scared of a number…the $30,000,000 or so in annual salary that some fool (such as the Mets' own Uncle Stevie) is likely to throw at him.

I wish I could say I was disgusted by this, but as baseball gets dumber and dumber, I find myself getting number and number.

Westheim · 09-20-2023, 10:56 AM

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He was afraid of a number.

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I find myself getting number and number.

Rob Numbfred says: buy season tickets for Major League Stickball '24, will ya!?

kq76 · 09-20-2023, 11:29 AM

I imagine the different networks have different ways of doing it, but they're also probably pretty similar.

I do know that Rogers Sportsnet at least definitely has different sized strike zone boxes for different batters (I wasn't sure so I figured I might as well check). I tested it by taking screenshots from MLB.com's Film Room of at bats by both Springer and Kirk (the tallest and shortest players on the Jays, 6'3 vs 5'8) from last night's Yankees game and it's very clear that the boxes are different sizes. I'll attach a png of the 2 with one layer at 50% opacity. In it you can clearly see the top of Kirk's box is at the bottom of the Yankee catcher's mask while the top of Springer's is in the middle of the catcher's mask. The camera angle is slightly different between the two PAs (when I toggled one layer off and on the mound would move a touch), but the amount it moves is nowhere near the difference of that of the difference between the boxes.

One thing I'm positive about is the box you see is definitely not what the rules say it should be. For example, it's not uncommon to see the top of the zone belt high and the bottom well below the knee, like this. So I just look at it as a rough guide. And honestly, I'm not bothered by missed calls that are within like a ball width of the edge of what I think the zone should be. I'm only really bothered by calls that are way outside that, like a foot off.

EDIT: Oops, nevermind the Jomboy stuff (I deleted it), totally different topic.

Amazin69 · 09-20-2023, 12:03 PM

I should point out that, last I saw, SNY has yet to implement a box.

I'm in favor of this, obviously, but I have been accused of clinging to the past, so…

Cobra Mgr · 09-20-2023, 07:35 PM

KC's win & ATL loss has pulled Oak/KC into a tie w/the Braves for wins.

Le Grande Orange · 09-20-2023, 09:03 PM

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Robo umps . . .

Hopefully they hire Bender first and not Hedonism Bot or Roberto.

monkeyman576 · 09-21-2023, 01:19 AM

No robot umps please. Human error is part of the game.

Pelican · 09-21-2023, 04:43 AM

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30,000 [/B]capacity? Way to overdo the "boutique" trend. Why not just ask the Tarpons if you can co-tenant their park?

You can bet that none of those few seats will sell for under $100, at least at face value. Baseball for the wealthy and the corporate types. Why not a slightly larger building with some bleacher seats in the OF? Oh, wait, no one cares anymore about kids or families. Luxury suites and gourmet service cover those multi-year contracts.

Pelican · 09-21-2023, 04:50 AM

Over the last 16 games, Atlanta’s rotation is 4-6 with a 6.87 ERA, allowing 86 hits and 59 walks in 77 1/3 innings. Wow. Regression to the mean at the wrong time. The Wild Card teams will be lining up to face that group in the second round.

I’m basically agnostic on the expanded playoffs. It’s long season, and little reward for playing well over 162 games. On the other hand, in any given year, there are more than six good teams out of thirty. And in most years, certainly this year, there are Division “winners” who are worse than second-place and even third-place teams. I’d take the Phillies over the Brewers or Cubs. Orioles/Rays over whoever wins the AL West by default. Better to inject revenue into team coffers by expanded playoffs, than boutique stadia with no cheap seats, IMHO. Necessary evil.

Cobra Mgr · 09-21-2023, 06:33 AM

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No robot umps please. Human error is part of the game.

Why does that sound like "No health inspectors. Salmonella is part of the food industry."?

MathBandit · 09-21-2023, 09:41 AM

re: the Blake Snell stuff, the fact that the Padres were trying to win the game is specifically why there shouldn't have even been a consideration of letting him try to complete the game.

Déjà Bru · 09-21-2023, 11:49 AM

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Why does that sound like "No health inspectors. Salmonella is part of the food industry."?

Heh, good one, CM. No offense, mm.

Seriously, I used to be of mm's persuasion in this matter, but this is one area where I will yield to automation. It's too blatant now due to other technological advances.

And, if it's any solace to mm, the ABS system will lend itself to fairness which is a very, very human concept. No basis in science of course; it really doesn't exist except in the human mind.

Westheim · 09-21-2023, 01:17 PM

Looks like the Oakland Pathetics will play-dead away with the worst record after all. Now a ringing 46-106 to KC's snotty 51-102.

Cobra Mgr · 09-21-2023, 02:03 PM

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Looks like the Oakland Pathetics will play-dead away with the worst record after all. Now a ringing 46-106 to KC's snotty 51-102.

Clutch

monkeyman576 · 09-21-2023, 02:23 PM

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Heh, good one, CM. No offense, mm.

Seriously, I used to be of mm's persuasion in this matter, but this is one area where I will yield to automation. It's too blatant now due to other technological advances.

And, if it's any solace to mm, the ABS system will lend itself to fairness which is a very, very human concept. No basis in science of course; it really doesn't exist except in the human mind.

I am just of the opinion that old fashioned baseball is the best baseball and it doesn't need a lot of changes.

Déjà Bru · 09-21-2023, 02:29 PM

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I am just of the opinion that old fashioned baseball is the best baseball and it doesn't need a lot of changes.

Oh, believe me, I am a fan of yours along those lines in general.

monkeyman576 · 09-21-2023, 02:36 PM

like, why is shorter games such a good thing? Who wants to watch LESS of something you love?

Westheim · 09-21-2023, 02:39 PM

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like, why is shorter games such a good thing? Who wants to watch LESS of something you love?

Who loves watching Big Pete refastening his batting gloves four times during an at-bat and taking another three dry swings next to the batter's box? I love watching Pete mash 'em 420 feet.

We cut out the time wasting, we kept the mashing. Perfect deal, and the ONLY rule change of the Numbfred Era of Horrors that I am on board with.

Cobra Mgr · 09-21-2023, 02:42 PM

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like, why is shorter games such a good thing? Who wants to watch LESS of something you love?

So I can go to bed.

monkeyman576 · 09-21-2023, 02:50 PM

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So I can go to bed.

Sleep is overrated. You must be a Mets fan.

09-20-2023, 10:54 AM	#921
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I would have understood if Snell had cited a physical issue ("I was feeling tired" or "my arm was starting to tighten up") even though pitchers used to endure those regularly. ("Here, have a cortisone shot. Don't forget to use the diathermy machine to loosen up before you go home. Remember, you're starting Monday, so put some ice on there to prevent swelling.") (-Yes, Monday. Snell has five days of rest before his next start, with the Pads still theoretically alive, for now.) Even an indirect physical complaint ("my velocity was starting to drop") would count for something. But no, Snell was terrified for his health because of nothing but the number of pitches he had thrown. He was afraid of a number. Snell is of course a pending free agent, so I as well am scared of a number…the $30,000,000 or so in annual salary that some fool (such as the Mets' own Uncle Stevie) is likely to throw at him. I wish I could say I was disgusted by this, but as baseball gets dumber and dumber, I find myself getting number and number. Last edited by Amazin69; 09-20-2023 at 10:55 AM.

09-20-2023, 11:29 AM	#923
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 11,092	I imagine the different networks have different ways of doing it, but they're also probably pretty similar. I do know that Rogers Sportsnet at least definitely has different sized strike zone boxes for different batters (I wasn't sure so I figured I might as well check). I tested it by taking screenshots from MLB.com's Film Room of at bats by both Springer and Kirk (the tallest and shortest players on the Jays, 6'3 vs 5'8) from last night's Yankees game and it's very clear that the boxes are different sizes. I'll attach a png of the 2 with one layer at 50% opacity. In it you can clearly see the top of Kirk's box is at the bottom of the Yankee catcher's mask while the top of Springer's is in the middle of the catcher's mask. The camera angle is slightly different between the two PAs (when I toggled one layer off and on the mound would move a touch), but the amount it moves is nowhere near the difference of that of the difference between the boxes. One thing I'm positive about is the box you see is definitely not what the rules say it should be. For example, it's not uncommon to see the top of the zone belt high and the bottom well below the knee, like this. So I just look at it as a rough guide. And honestly, I'm not bothered by missed calls that are within like a ball width of the edge of what I think the zone should be. I'm only really bothered by calls that are way outside that, like a foot off. EDIT: Oops, nevermind the Jomboy stuff (I deleted it), totally different topic. Attached Images __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) Last edited by kq76; 09-20-2023 at 11:37 AM.

09-20-2023, 07:35 PM	#925
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 6,951	KC's win & ATL loss has pulled Oak/KC into a tie w/the Braves for wins. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016

09-21-2023, 04:50 AM	#929
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,637 Blog Entries: 1	Over the last 16 games, Atlanta’s rotation is 4-6 with a 6.87 ERA, allowing 86 hits and 59 walks in 77 1/3 innings. Wow. Regression to the mean at the wrong time. The Wild Card teams will be lining up to face that group in the second round. I’m basically agnostic on the expanded playoffs. It’s long season, and little reward for playing well over 162 games. On the other hand, in any given year, there are more than six good teams out of thirty. And in most years, certainly this year, there are Division “winners” who are worse than second-place and even third-place teams. I’d take the Phillies over the Brewers or Cubs. Orioles/Rays over whoever wins the AL West by default. Better to inject revenue into team coffers by expanded playoffs, than boutique stadia with no cheap seats, IMHO. Necessary evil. __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

09-21-2023, 01:17 PM	#933
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09-20-2023, 12:03 PM	#924
Amazin69 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I should point out that, last I saw, SNY has yet to implement a box. I'm in favor of this, obviously, but I have been accused of clinging to the past, so…

09-21-2023, 01:19 AM	#927
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,257	No robot umps please. Human error is part of the game.

09-21-2023, 09:41 AM	#931
MathBandit All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 1,312	re: the Blake Snell stuff, the fact that the Padres were trying to win the game is specifically why there shouldn't have even been a consideration of letting him try to complete the game.

09-21-2023, 02:36 PM	#937
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,257	like, why is shorter games such a good thing? Who wants to watch LESS of something you love?