Tactics

[Vieri90]

Does anyone understand the tactic part of this game? I'm completly lost.
In every save i'm trying to do my own tactic. Pretty logic tactics, with no tendencies to low or to high. Picking settings that is great fit for my best players. Fix this on a unit level everytime, then playing 20-30 games and tweak it a little bit if something isnt working.

So many times i cant start winning, and i tell AI to set tactics (This is a ****ing lottery right?) I guess AI just randomly set this and doesnt take into account what players i've got. It feels like they pick the worst tactic, that doens make sense and is a bad fit for all my players. Lowest hits, lowest speed, lowest passing.
But then of course, i start winning.

So does tactic even make any difference?
Or is everything just random?

Another example. If i use my best player as a "Playmaker", he score goals every ****ing game. But if put him in "Perimeter shooter" or "Sniper", he is top 3 in the assistleague. I'm so confused.

Can anyone explain this to me?

[renojedi]

I don't have an answer for your questions but want to add that I also don't understand what happens when I let AI choose the tactics. Most of the tactics have no players as a great or good fit and many as bad or terrible fits. And, global and unit setting drop sliders for tempo, passing, and shooting to lowest level. And, even with that, I get 30-40 shots a game (giving up about the same) and I win about 2 out of every three games for a while. But, if I set the tactics and roles myself where I at least have some if not all players be good and great fits and move the three sliders I mentioned to at least even I get outshot almost every game and lose a lot more than I win. I even tried looking at flow (i.e. where I think about where the tactic places a player in a position in one zone and try to are sure what I ask in the other two zones isn't the exact opposite location) my results seems slightly better but I never felt like I broke through to where I understood how what I did would lead to consistent success. I have done well some season but it seems so random.

I too would love some tips on gaining and sustaining a season long positive trend line (after all the ups and downs) for my teams performance.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by Vieri90

Does anyone understand the tactic part of this game? I'm completly lost.
In every save i'm trying to do my own tactic. Pretty logic tactics, with no tendencies to low or to high. Picking settings that is great fit for my best players. Fix this on a unit level everytime, then playing 20-30 games and tweak it a little bit if something isnt working.

So many times i cant start winning, and i tell AI to set tactics (This is a ****ing lottery right?) I guess AI just randomly set this and doesnt take into account what players i've got. It feels like they pick the worst tactic, that doens make sense and is a bad fit for all my players. Lowest hits, lowest speed, lowest passing.
But then of course, i start winning.

So does tactic even make any difference?
Or is everything just random?

Another example. If i use my best player as a "Playmaker", he score goals every ****ing game. But if put him in "Perimeter shooter" or "Sniper", he is top 3 in the assistleague. I'm so confused.

Can anyone explain this to me?

Don't confuse tactics with player roles (which Playmaker and Sniper) would be. I typically make sure players are playing in roles they want to play in..I do this by using the 2D sim/view and checking the postgame analysis after each game. Typically, this only needs to be done through preseason and maybe the first week of the season. I pick tactics that best suit the most players If a tactic suits nobody then I go with the one that is bad or terrible for the least number of players.

[Colorado]

Tactics... the whole tactical aspect has felt like a complete lottery for too long imo. Beyond the indicator which shows which players fit, there's little explanation or information to show why something is or isn't working.

Even in the YouTube play thorough videos, I've never seen an in-depth explanation and it just seems skipped through after initially setting it.

It's another part of the game that has long required improvement and polish - something that is becoming familiar with FHM these days sadly.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by Colorado

Tactics... the whole tactical aspect has felt like a complete lottery for too long imo. Beyond the indicator which shows which players fit, there's little explanation or information to show why something is or isn't working.

Even in the YouTube play thorough videos, I've never seen an in-depth explanation and it just seems skipped through after initially setting it.

It's another part of the game that has long required improvement and polish - something that is becoming familiar with FHM these days sadly.

They way I've always treated tactics, even before they added how well a tactic suits a player, is if my team is winning then they're fine. If they're losing then I need to change something. I determine what needs changed based off how my team is playing. If they aren't scoring much then I'll adjust the tactics that affect that. Same applies to every aspect of the game from D to Powerplay and Penalty Kill. Whatever areas the team is lacking in I'll make adjustments accordingly. Of course it's not always tactics that need changed. It may be lines that need to be shuffled in some way.

[renojedi]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

I determine what needs changed based off how my team is playing. If they aren't scoring much then I'll adjust the tactics that affect that. Same applies to every aspect of the game from D to Powerplay and Penalty Kill. Whatever areas the team is lacking in I'll make adjustments accordingly.

Can you give some examples of what you do?What do you do when PP % is too low? Or PK % is too low? Or scoring is too low.

For example, with my PP1, only one OZ and NZ tactic have a good fit. All rest are bad terrible fits or blank. When that happens, i leave the scheme and only adjust tempo, aggression, shooting, and passing but I never feel like I get to the point where the PP is "clicking" and generating good chances consistently even with good chemistry and strong offensive players.

[Savoie45]

Originally Posted by renojedi

Can you give some examples of what you do?What do you do when PP % is too low? Or PK % is too low? Or scoring is too low.

For example, with my PP1, only one OZ and NZ tactic have a good fit. All rest are bad terrible fits or blank. When that happens, i leave the scheme and only adjust tempo, aggression, shooting, and passing but I never feel like I get to the point where the PP is "clicking" and generating good chances consistently even with good chemistry and strong offensive players.

There's no set formula, you have to experiment by juggling lines, switching a tactic. You hover each category with the sliders you can see what it affects. It may or may not work, because player roles will also affect how players react. You don't want to constantly change tactics either, because it takes time for the team to adjust to each new tactic. Finally, if who fits a tactic is blank, go with that over a more negative tactic.

[Colorado]

So, by blindly guessing then.

That's exactly the point I'm making, it's essentially a lottery.

[gord]

Originally Posted by Savoie45

I typically make sure players are playing in roles they want to play in.

Where do you draw the line between how the player wants to play and what's best for the line/team? If you need a playmaker on your second line but the player would prefer to be a counter attacking forward (for example), which takes precedence for you?