Update on Patch #2!

[Paul Reuschel's Mustache]

Originally Posted by Haiku

Sports Interactive, the producers of Football Manager with their large staff, couldn't make the game playable until the Christmas patch, and it's still full of issues even after February/March. This is the norm with every iteration, and they typically release it in early November. Also, they never release new builds for the open public as often and as many as OOTP does. SI never provide updates regarding when the new build will be released or what it will include. It's fair to say that Marcus and the team are very responsive, keeping us in the loop and answering questions throughout the whole time.

Thanks for that feedback. I've never played FM and just had a quick look at their forum and I see comments there like this:

"I already opened a bug report for this months ago. Have two saves that are affected (one a 23 port, another a fresh 24 save). Still tagged as "under review". I won't say its a deal breaker for playing but it does kind of ruin the immersion a bit when you're just going 1,2,3 through the league along with everyone else."

[Cartopis84]

Originally Posted by SidHickenbottom

I want to echo this, as this is exactly what's happening to me. 12 years into the same type of fictional set up I've played for years and there are next to no players outside of the seed players who have developed into 50+ talents. It's astonishingly rare for an amateur player, on my team or computer run teams, to blossom as usual, in long-term fictional saves.

Agreed same here, Ive put the game down until this is fixed, hopefully with the next patch

[ashantewarrier]

Originally Posted by Paul Reuschel's Mustache

Sh*t happens.

Thanks for the update Markus.

Andreas retired? Who Andreas he was allowed to “retire?”

Seriously, thanks guys!

(BTW- I met Andreas at the OOTP meet and greet in NYC years ago. )


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[Bunktown Ballers]

Originally Posted by Daniel_09

I hope they have turned Kyle Bradish into the P he really is with this beta patch.

And what kind of pitcher should he be?
That 94 Live card looks okay for him. He has only pitched in only 53 games over 2 years

[trengilly]

Originally Posted by Francoeurstein

Maybe I didn't have the best choice of words. What I mean is that for the way I like to play, the current version makes it very difficult. I am 10 years into the future in a modern sim, and there are about a dozen position players with an overall of 50+ (perfect scouting) and one pitcher. Fictional players straight up won't develop. My experience seems to be different than yours.

Yes, I've experienced the same issue. I'm pretty certain it has to do with the lack of high school player development.

In my 18 team fantasy league we started with 169 players with Overall score of 55+

After:
10 years: 132 players
15 years: 117 players
20 years: 111 players

Reviewing the top 20 players after 20 years (everyone 70+), there was only a single High School draftee among them. Everyone else was a College draftee (and a couple international players).

The lack of high school players developing seems to lead to a general regression to the mean of 50 value players. With only college players having their normal progression since they are good enough to compete in A ball.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Andreas retired? Who Andreas he was allowed to “retire?”

Seriously, thanks guys!

(BTW- I met Andreas at the OOTP meet and greet in NYC years ago. )


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I was also at that meet and greet and met Andreas. Nice guy.

In all seriousness, I recall the acquisition allowed Andreas to retire. This was disclosed in announcing they were acquired.


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[diehardsim]

Originally Posted by jrgst3

Be interested to know why you say unplayable. I've had almost zero issues

I expected a finished product.

[tward13]

Does this fix pitchers whose current rating is high on say Stuff (think Nolan Ryan) and you get a development report that his current stuff dropped from 35 to 30. Then you check and it's 80 or 85. And this is with 20 to 80 for all ratings selected.

[sabin357]

Originally Posted by JohnCena

Definitely learned my lesson on buying the game early.

The smart move this year was to buy early for the 30% discount (if you want to play as the RL reason goes) & then shelve it for a month or more before starting your long save. This is no different from any other year, especially the past few years.

FOMO is the enemy. Just be patient & play it when it's ready, like every other year lately. I doubt you'll ever get a game that's ready at release from OOTP ever, because they'd need to wait until Opening Day to launch & they don't have that option. "Fans" would crucify them, as would their owners.

If you want to play the game in its final form (patched to fix most of the major annoying bugs), its best to buy it in Oct when the price drops WAY down to like $10. Patient gaming gets rewarded in that way.

This franchise like most sports games, would benefit from producing a new game on a 2 year cycle & break the yearly trend that plagues so many series in favor of having the luxury to full test & polish, then in the off-years a roster update DLC that bascially just lets your game continue to have live starts/rosters.

[trengilly]

Originally Posted by diehardsim

I expected a finished product.

It is literally impossible for modern computer games of this complexity to ever be 'finished' or bug free.

Every developer has a list of hundreds (and usually thousands or tens or thousands) of bugs that they prioritize by severity, scope of impact, and effort required to fix, and ultimately publish the best game they can with the time and resources they have available.

Its unfortunate this issue got through QA. But as Markus tried to explain, they were fixing countless other bugs and this issue didn't present itself at the time. It was either masked by other issues or caused by changes they made to fix other things.

We can be thankful that they actually do care and are fixing issues as quickly as they can.

[jbergey22]

As far as the "55" problem, isn't is just the scouting lens? The new lens seems more like RL. Or are the players just never getting any better? Im confused as to what the issue is. If it is just the scouting lens, it sounds improved.

[tailgtr24]

I appreciate the efforts from the development team.

One area that I've noticed but hasn't been addressed are the international players already in your complex and the existing prospects at the lower levels. What I am seeing when I imported my online league file to ootp 25 are top prospects going from 5 stars down to 2 1/2, while others with high eye are now on the top end.

The issue with this is that people have spent time building farm systems, but now are seeing them become "average".

It might not be an issue for new starts or historical starts, but for longstanding leagues or individual sims, this is a problem.

Has there been any discussion how these changes impact online leagues or solo longterm sims?

[niu354]

Any word when the patch will be available? I believe the last update provided Friday indicated early this week. Just looking to understand if there’s anything more specific now that we’ve arrived at that timeline. I’ve reached the day before draft pool release in my save and thinking I should wait here.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tailgtr24

The issue with this is that people have spent time building farm systems, but now are seeing them become "average".

Are they actually becoming average or does the scouting lens just say that? If they are still being just as productive nothing really changed other than how you see them from a scouting perspective. From a scouting perspective it is just a view point that can be altered. Some scouts grade tougher than others but it doesn't change the way the player performs on the field.

[omg_pwnasaurus]

Originally Posted by sabin357

The smart move this year was to buy early for the 30% discount & then shelve it for a month or more before starting your long save.

This is what I do and I'd rather just wait until the Kinks preserve the village green errr ummm I mean are worked out before I start a long save. All good, I'm still not sure what save I want to do yet

[tailgtr24]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Are they actually becoming average or does the scouting lens just say that? If they are still being just as productive nothing really changed other than how you see them from a scouting perspective. From a scouting perspective it is just a view point that can be altered. Some scouts grade tougher than others but it doesn't change the way the player performs on the field.

In my other solo league, high eye and contact players rose and power hitters fell in terms of star and top 100/200 ratings.


50 hr hitters were becoming high 20's low 30's players, so I find it hard to believe "nothing really changed".

[Guthrien]

It's so hard to see things from a few sims. I don't play fictional leagues (though I should), but I simmed a couple today to 2034 and the distribution seemed realistic from looking back on the draft list and rookie history. Realistic being extremely loose language.. it's easier to see things looking at just the best talent. I do feel like I saw better results micromanaging players in 24, and the AI is just horrible about kicking mid 20s guys around low pro ball, but the distribution of higher talent was "realistic".

In 2034 players who had 4+ WAR:

Batters: 13 High School / 2 International / 5 College / 41 established talent (pre-2024)
Pitchers: 2 High School / 14 College / 1 International / 6 established talent (pre-2024 existence)

But does confirm conventional OOTP wisdom: don't draft high school pitchers.

[TheBrewCrew]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Can you let us know what game mode, year etc you're seeing this in?

EDIT:

There is an option to start on a certain weekday, which is disabled by default in the 2024 rosters. If you just turn that on, it should 'fix' this for you for next year.

A normal 2024 save with all of the available leagues selected. The following season, 2025 had the dates a day off. Tried switching it but didn't notice until Opening Day so I couldn't change the setting.

With these issues, you should add more flexibility into Challenge Mode.

edit - is there a way to change it on Opening Day? Really, really don't want to delete this save too.

[diehardsim]

Originally Posted by trengilly

It is literally impossible for modern computer games of this complexity to ever be 'finished' or bug free.

Every developer has a list of hundreds (and usually thousands or tens or thousands) of bugs that they prioritize by severity, scope of impact, and effort required to fix, and ultimately publish the best game they can with the time and resources they have available.

Its unfortunate this issue got through QA. But as Markus tried to explain, they were fixing countless other bugs and this issue didn't present itself at the time. It was either masked by other issues or caused by changes they made to fix other things.

We can be thankful that they actually do care and are fixing issues as quickly as they can.

It isn’t literally impossible to ship a software product that functions as intended. They’ve done so in the past. They sold their stake in the company and the quality of the product has diminished.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=321116

I WANT A REFUND.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by diehardsim

It isn’t literally impossible to ship a software product that functions as intended. They’ve done so in the past. They sold their stake in the company and the quality of the product has diminished.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=321116

I WANT A REFUND.

support@ootpdevelopments.com

Tell them you wish to have a refund and give a reason why, and they should get it taken care of for you