Todd Bertuzzi, Class Act

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 02:07 AM

yep Todd, you are a real man.

you sure showed Steve Moore how to handle yourself in the NHL. you don't hit the star players like Moore did - instead you hit them from behind when you can't see it coming and slam them face first into the ice.

LivnLegend · 03-09-2004, 02:14 AM

Who? Is this boxing?

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
Who? Is this boxing?

in boxing, they hit people facing them, not from behind.

holyroller · 03-09-2004, 03:41 AM

Might have well just titled this "Ping: Rich"

crackpott · 03-09-2004, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by holyroller
Might have well just titled this "Ping: Rich"

PittPanther · 03-09-2004, 06:08 AM

There's a long standing tradition of this type of behavior in the NHL, which is why it will never rise above its "garbage" league image.

Three cheers for Bertuzzi and the status quo!

Draft Dodger · 03-09-2004, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by holyroller
Might have well just titled this "Ping: Rich"

after the 1st period last night, I'm not sure Rich's monitor is still in one piece...

Joe Canadian · 03-09-2004, 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by PittPanther
There's a long standing tradition of this type of behavior in the NHL, which is why it will never rise above its "garbage" league image.

Three cheers for Bertuzzi and the status quo!

No there isn't. And if you actually watched more hockey then the instinces where this type of crap goes on you'd know that. The media hypes this up when it happens, and gives it far more attention then the actual game... Yes, stuff like this goes on, but it's doesn't occur as often as people like you and the mainstream media says it does.

Take the instigator rule out, and this wouldn't of happened! Bertuzzi or someone else would have squared off with him FAIRLY when Moore hit Naslund, none of this other crap would of happened.

sixto · 03-09-2004, 10:55 AM

Actually the Flyers and Senators just set the record for penalty minutes in one game, and the media barely covered it.

mooreadamc · 03-09-2004, 11:04 AM

God this sucks. I live on the east coast and went to bed really early last night to wake up for 5 am. I'm just getting to the news ticker now and am sickened seeing this stuff. As an Avs fan this is unreal. Does anyone by chance have a link to watch a video highlight? I've been to NHL.com, TSn.ca, etc and havent found any highlights with the hit. I'm guessing I wont be able to see it until I get home tonight. Ah well, but if anyone has a link just let me know! Thanks

adam

Joe Canadian · 03-09-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by sixto
Actually the Flyers and Senators just set the record for penalty minutes in one game, and the media barely covered it.

They did a pretty good job of covering on practically every sports gighlight show, and highlight package for news outlets. However, theres nothing wrong with what happened in that game... the media jumping on that would be off base. The media jumping on the Moore hit as "sick" is totally correct, it's just it'll recieve more attention from non-hockey fans then the game ever gets any other day.

Not excusing what Bert did, just saying it's completly unfair to generalize the game like PittPanther did based on the moronic behavior of one guy, or scattered instinces where this crap happens.

spleen1015 · 03-09-2004, 11:37 AM

Hockey's problem is not the fights. It's problem is that it is not an American made sport.

It also doesn't go well with tv.

EDIT - I want to explain my comment above. MLB, the NFL, and the NBA all play sports that were pioneered in this country. Hockey wasn't and that's why there's not a bigger following of it.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-09-2004, 11:38 AM

They should let the players use guns. It would be much quicker.

PittPanther · 03-09-2004, 12:06 PM

I guess it didn't happen when Dale Hunter crushed Turgeon after the playoffs?

How about Dave Brown smashing Sandstroms' head with his stick?

Graves breaking Lemieux's hand?

Billy Smith trying to take Gretzsky's knees out behind the net?

Ulf Samuelson ruining Cam Neely's knee (twice)

McSorely smashing Brashear?

These are 6 examples that popped up in my head in 15 seconds. If I thought about it, I could probably come up with tons more.

Don't tell us it doesn't happen. It always happens.

Joe Canadian · 03-09-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by PittPanther
I guess it didn't happen when Dale Hunter crushed Turgeon after the playoffs?

How about Dave Brown smashing Sandstroms' head with his stick?

Graves breaking Lemieux's hand?

Billy Smith trying to take Gretzsky's knees out behind the net?

Ulf Samuelson ruining Cam Neely's knee (twice)

McSorely smashing Brashear?

These are 6 examples that popped up in my head in 15 seconds. If I thought about it, I could probably come up with tons more.

Don't tell us it doesn't happen. It always happens.

NEVER SAID it didn't happen. But curious how you go from having scattered instinces to having it happen all the time.

Joe Canadian · 03-09-2004, 12:24 PM

dola,

Does it happen more than it should, of course it does. But it doesn't happen all the time...

PittPanther · 03-09-2004, 12:29 PM

Seems to me that I have provided several examples starting in the early 80's that show this behavior exists and has for some time.

If I feel like it, I'll dig deep into some of the literature I have around here and pull tons more examples of this type of thug-like behavior that the NHL condones.

I'll tell you what: The next time THIS YEAR (we can all use caps) a player goes after someone to intentionally injure him, I'll be sure to remind you of it.

We both know it will happen again.

Delgadodawg · 03-09-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by PittPanther
Seems to me that I have provided several examples starting in the early 80's that show this behavior exists and has for some time.

If I feel like it, I'll dig deep into some of the literature I have around here and pull tons more examples of this type of thug-like behavior that the NHL condones.

I'll tell you what: The next time THIS YEAR (we can all use caps) a player goes after someone to intentionally injure him, I'll be sure to remind you of it.

We both know it will happen again.

You can probably find examples of thug like behaviour in every sport. How many times has a baseball been thrown at 90+ miles an hour towards a batter intentionally--sometimes at the head. Not to mention a few bat swinging and (throwing) incidents.

I have seen some pretty cheap shots in football as well--people running over a guy who has waved for a fair catch has caused some major injuries. Plus numerous other types of late hits on defensless players.

Not saying it doesn't happen in hockey, just that over the years there are some ugly incidents that happen in most sports.

rangers85 · 03-09-2004, 01:08 PM

I'm hoping Bertuzzi gets the book thrown at him for this instance. This is at least as bad as the McSorley incident which got 10 games, and probably even worse. McSorley only hit McCabe from behind with the stick, Bertuzzi hit Moore from behind, then slammed his head into the ice (After he'd been knocked out cold). If this gets any less than 15 games (Might as well say rest of regular season), then Campbell isn't doing his job.

Joe Canadian · 03-09-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by PittPanther
Seems to me that I have provided several examples starting in the early 80's that show this behavior exists and has for some time.

If I feel like it, I'll dig deep into some of the literature I have around here and pull tons more examples of this type of thug-like behavior that the NHL condones.

I'll tell you what: The next time THIS YEAR (we can all use caps) a player goes after someone to intentionally injure him, I'll be sure to remind you of it.

We both know it will happen again.

I agree with you. The problem does exist and has for some time. Obviously it's going to happen again... it always does.

However, it doesn't happen all the time. Hockey is not a garbage sport. This isn't a problem that is unique to hockey. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm serious in saying that), but it's sort of obvious you don't like hockey. I'm not sure I can convince you otherwise unless you sit down and watch hockey games as a whole instead of just these ugly instinces. Things like this (the Bert hit) gives hockey an undeserved bad name... but I still agree with you that it's a problem, it's a problem if it happens once.

The league needs to give bigger suspensions, and penalties... and they need to take out the instigator rule to put the fear back in players so they won't take cheap shots or be careless with their sticks. This issue could of been solved in the game where Moore hit Nazy (although it was a clean hit), Bert or someone else on the Canucks could of squared off with the guy in a fair and clean fight.

I hope you didn't take personal offence to anything I said, I apoligize if I did. I just disagree strongly with you on a few things.

03-09-2004, 02:07 AM	#1
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	Todd Bertuzzi, Class Act yep Todd, you are a real man. you sure showed Steve Moore how to handle yourself in the NHL. you don't hit the star players like Moore did - instead you hit them from behind when you can't see it coming and slam them face first into the ice. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

03-09-2004, 02:14 AM	#2
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Who? Is this boxing? __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

03-09-2004, 03:41 AM	#4
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Might have well just titled this "Ping: Rich" __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

03-09-2004, 06:08 AM	#6
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	There's a long standing tradition of this type of behavior in the NHL, which is why it will never rise above its "garbage" league image. Three cheers for Bertuzzi and the status quo! __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

03-09-2004, 11:37 AM	#12
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	Hockey's problem is not the fights. It's problem is that it is not an American made sport. It also doesn't go well with tv. EDIT - I want to explain my comment above. MLB, the NFL, and the NBA all play sports that were pioneered in this country. Hockey wasn't and that's why there's not a bigger following of it. Last edited by spleen1015; 03-09-2004 at 11:40 AM.

03-09-2004, 10:55 AM	#9
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,262	Actually the Flyers and Senators just set the record for penalty minutes in one game, and the media barely covered it.

03-09-2004, 11:04 AM	#10
mooreadamc Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 146	God this sucks. I live on the east coast and went to bed really early last night to wake up for 5 am. I'm just getting to the news ticker now and am sickened seeing this stuff. As an Avs fan this is unreal. Does anyone by chance have a link to watch a video highlight? I've been to NHL.com, TSn.ca, etc and havent found any highlights with the hit. I'm guessing I wont be able to see it until I get home tonight. Ah well, but if anyone has a link just let me know! Thanks adam

03-09-2004, 11:38 AM	#13
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	They should let the players use guns. It would be much quicker.

03-09-2004, 12:06 PM	#14
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	I guess it didn't happen when Dale Hunter crushed Turgeon after the playoffs? How about Dave Brown smashing Sandstroms' head with his stick? Graves breaking Lemieux's hand? Billy Smith trying to take Gretzsky's knees out behind the net? Ulf Samuelson ruining Cam Neely's knee (twice) McSorely smashing Brashear? These are 6 examples that popped up in my head in 15 seconds. If I thought about it, I could probably come up with tons more. Don't tell us it doesn't happen. It always happens. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

03-09-2004, 12:24 PM	#16
Joe Canadian All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 1,296	dola, Does it happen more than it should, of course it does. But it doesn't happen all the time... __________________ My Twitter \| My Blog \| My Music Fan of the Blue Jays, Maple Leafs, IceCaps, Lakers, and Broncos.

03-09-2004, 12:29 PM	#17
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	Seems to me that I have provided several examples starting in the early 80's that show this behavior exists and has for some time. If I feel like it, I'll dig deep into some of the literature I have around here and pull tons more examples of this type of thug-like behavior that the NHL condones. I'll tell you what: The next time THIS YEAR (we can all use caps) a player goes after someone to intentionally injure him, I'll be sure to remind you of it. We both know it will happen again. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!

03-09-2004, 01:08 PM	#19
rangers85 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth, TX...home of the mighty TCU Horned Frogs Posts: 909	I'm hoping Bertuzzi gets the book thrown at him for this instance. This is at least as bad as the McSorley incident which got 10 games, and probably even worse. McSorley only hit McCabe from behind with the stick, Bertuzzi hit Moore from behind, then slammed his head into the ice (After he'd been knocked out cold). If this gets any less than 15 games (Might as well say rest of regular season), then Campbell isn't doing his job.