MVP - No 6... Barry Lamar Bonds.

Crapshoot · 11-18-2003, 03:09 PM

AS in the headline- for once, the BBWA got it right on both the MVP's.

Hammer755 · 11-18-2003, 03:15 PM

I'm absolutely shocked that Bonds won. He deserved it, IMO, but I was fairly certain that Pujols would win.

Truly an epic year for post-season awards. Only one, the NL ROY, did I have a sizable beef with.

sporr · 11-18-2003, 03:32 PM

Barry is the man...still.

tim_uwrf · 11-18-2003, 03:57 PM

he is good, but i still don't like him

but he is damn good and probably does deserve it as a baseball player

LivnLegend · 11-18-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
I'm absolutely shocked that Bonds won. He deserved it, IMO, but I was fairly certain that Pujols would win.

Truly an epic year for post-season awards. Only one, the NL ROY, did I have a sizable beef with.

I am not shocked Bonds won but I never would have guessed he'd receive 28 of 32 first-place votes.

I'm happy to see Gagne finish 5th.

Mel_Ott · 11-18-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
I'm happy to see Gagne finish 5th.

I don't think Gagne was even the Dodgers MVP, but I suppose I'm biased against relief pitchers.

LivnLegend · 11-18-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Mel_Ott
I don't think Gagne was even the Dodgers MVP, but I suppose I'm biased against relief pitchers.

Oh christ, not that Mota was the Dodger's MVP crap again.
This is Barry's day, let's try not to ruin it!

Mel_Ott · 11-18-2003, 04:36 PM

Fair enough!

kingfc22 · 11-18-2003, 04:44 PM

Congrats to Barry. An All-Time great and the best player of our time.

Hammer755 · 11-18-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
I'm happy to see Gagne finish 5th.

You might try using that other hand too.

1. Bonds - 426
2. Pujols - 303
3. Sheffield - 247
4. Thome - 203
5. Lopez - 159
6. Gagne - 143

LivnLegend · 11-18-2003, 04:51 PM

Well, now I am upset. Thanks a lot.

Jason Moyer · 11-18-2003, 05:07 PM

Barry Bonds, SF 426
Albert Pujols, STL 303
Gary Sheffield, ATL 247
Jim Thome, PHI 203
Javy Lopez, ATL 159
Eric Gagne, LA 143
Todd Helton, COL 75
Sammy Sosa, CHI 53
Mark Prior, CHI 44
Juan Pierre, FLA 39
Mike Lowell, FLA 30
Richie Sexson, MIL 21
Andruw Jones, ATL 15
Jeff Bagwell, HOU 14
Edgar Renteria, STL 13
Preston Wilson, COL 12
Vladimir Guerrero, MON 10
John Smoltz, ATL 9
Marcus Giles, ATL 9
Richard Hidalgo, HOU 9
Luis Castillo, FLA 8
Jason Schmidt, SF 7
Ivan Rodriguez, FLA 5
Billy Wagner, HOU 5
Luis Gonzalez, ARI 4
Chipper Jones, ATL 4
Bobby Abreu, PHI 3
Miguel Cabrera, FLA 3
Jim Edmonds, STL 3
Mark Grudzielanek, CHI 3
Derrek Lee, FLA 3
Russ Ortiz, ATL 3
Rafael Furcal, ATL 2
Dontrelle Willis, FLA 1

I won't start the "how did only 1 writer list Abreu in the top 10" argument.

Jason

Hammer755 · 11-18-2003, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
I won't start the "how did only 1 writer list Abreu in the top 10" argument.

And I won't start the "how did 1 writer list Grudzielanek on his ballot" argument.

Jason Moyer · 11-18-2003, 05:11 PM

Hey he was the 52nd best player in baseball! He deserved at least as much consideration as the 7th best, right?

I suppose Abreu getting shafted is ok since the writers over-compensated for Coor's Park when voting for Helton again and it let Thome slide into 4th.

Jason

Gastric ReFlux · 11-18-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
Barry Bonds, SF 426
Albert Pujols, STL 303
Gary Sheffield, ATL 247
Jim Thome, PHI 203
Javy Lopez, ATL 159
Eric Gagne, LA 143
Todd Helton, COL 75
Sammy Sosa, CHI 53
Mark Prior, CHI 44
Juan Pierre, FLA 39
Mike Lowell, FLA 30
Richie Sexson, MIL 21
Andruw Jones, ATL 15
Jeff Bagwell, HOU 14
Edgar Renteria, STL 13
Preston Wilson, COL 12
Vladimir Guerrero, MON 10
John Smoltz, ATL 9
Marcus Giles, ATL 9
Richard Hidalgo, HOU 9
Luis Castillo, FLA 8
Jason Schmidt, SF 7
Ivan Rodriguez, FLA 5
Billy Wagner, HOU 5
Luis Gonzalez, ARI 4
Chipper Jones, ATL 4
Bobby Abreu, PHI 3
Miguel Cabrera, FLA 3
Jim Edmonds, STL 3
Mark Grudzielanek, CHI 3
Derrek Lee, FLA 3
Russ Ortiz, ATL 3
Rafael Furcal, ATL 2
Dontrelle Willis, FLA 1

I won't start the "how did only 1 writer list Abreu in the top 10" argument.

Jason

Yeah, but Ichiro would have deserved to finish higher than Abreu!

Jason Moyer · 11-18-2003, 05:20 PM

No question. Ichiro hit .312 to Abreu's .300. I wouldn't even attempt to argue that.

Jason

miami_fan · 11-18-2003, 05:29 PM

Juan Pierre was considered in the MVP balloting and had more votes than Vlad Guerrero, Andruw Jones, Luis Gonzales, Chipper Jones, and Jim Edmonds combined. Who would have predicted that on Opening day?

Crapshoot · 11-18-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
I'm absolutely shocked that Bonds won. He deserved it, IMO, but I was fairly certain that Pujols would win.

Truly an epic year for post-season awards. Only one, the NL ROY, did I have a sizable beef with.

Actually, I was fairly certain about the NL- Im shocked the right thing happened in the AL. I hated the NL Cy Young, but if a reliver ever deserved it, this was the year- still, 70 innings requires a sizeable leverage index to be viable.

Crapshoot · 11-18-2003, 06:17 PM

Btw, Juan Pierre- wow. not as bad as Shannon Stewart in the AL, but still- wow. Also, how does Schmidt finish ahead of Prior in the CY Young but behind him in the MVP ? Was Prior more clutch ?

Spielman · 11-18-2003, 06:40 PM

The writers picked the right guy.

Gratz to Bonds.

Pujols will get his, assuming Barry isn't a robot who will never retire.

-Spielman

11-18-2003, 03:09 PM	#1
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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	Barry Bonds, SF 426 Albert Pujols, STL 303 Gary Sheffield, ATL 247 Jim Thome, PHI 203 Javy Lopez, ATL 159 Eric Gagne, LA 143 Todd Helton, COL 75 Sammy Sosa, CHI 53 Mark Prior, CHI 44 Juan Pierre, FLA 39 Mike Lowell, FLA 30 Richie Sexson, MIL 21 Andruw Jones, ATL 15 Jeff Bagwell, HOU 14 Edgar Renteria, STL 13 Preston Wilson, COL 12 Vladimir Guerrero, MON 10 John Smoltz, ATL 9 Marcus Giles, ATL 9 Richard Hidalgo, HOU 9 Luis Castillo, FLA 8 Jason Schmidt, SF 7 Ivan Rodriguez, FLA 5 Billy Wagner, HOU 5 Luis Gonzalez, ARI 4 Chipper Jones, ATL 4 Bobby Abreu, PHI 3 Miguel Cabrera, FLA 3 Jim Edmonds, STL 3 Mark Grudzielanek, CHI 3 Derrek Lee, FLA 3 Russ Ortiz, ATL 3 Rafael Furcal, ATL 2 Dontrelle Willis, FLA 1 I won't start the "how did only 1 writer list Abreu in the top 10" argument. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech Last edited by Jason Moyer; 11-18-2003 at 05:10 PM.

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Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	I'm absolutely shocked that Bonds won. He deserved it, IMO, but I was fairly certain that Pujols would win. Truly an epic year for post-season awards. Only one, the NL ROY, did I have a sizable beef with.

11-18-2003, 03:32 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Barry is the man...still.

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tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	he is good, but i still don't like him but he is damn good and probably does deserve it as a baseball player

11-18-2003, 05:11 PM	#14
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	Hey he was the 52nd best player in baseball! He deserved at least as much consideration as the 7th best, right? I suppose Abreu getting shafted is ok since the writers over-compensated for Coor's Park when voting for Helton again and it let Thome slide into 4th. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

11-18-2003, 05:20 PM	#16
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,076	No question. Ichiro hit .312 to Abreu's .300. I wouldn't even attempt to argue that. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

11-18-2003, 05:29 PM	#17
miami_fan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 152	Juan Pierre was considered in the MVP balloting and had more votes than Vlad Guerrero, Andruw Jones, Luis Gonzales, Chipper Jones, and Jim Edmonds combined. Who would have predicted that on Opening day?

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Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Btw, Juan Pierre- wow. not as bad as Shannon Stewart in the AL, but still- wow. Also, how does Schmidt finish ahead of Prior in the CY Young but behind him in the MVP ? Was Prior more clutch ? __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

11-18-2003, 06:40 PM	#20
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	The writers picked the right guy. Gratz to Bonds. Pujols will get his, assuming Barry isn't a robot who will never retire. -Spielman