True Commissioners

scotto313 · 11-08-2003, 11:10 PM

I recently applied to what looked like a very good league and was denied. The Commissioner said in my rejection e-mail he was thinking of stepping down as the owner of his team in the near future and would consider me to take over his team if this happens. That got me thinking. How many Online Leagues have non owner Commissioners? It would appear to be a great idea. The conflict of interest aspect would be virtually non-existent. I obviously realize the appeal to being an owner, but the owner/Commissioner did not work in MLB. I think mfitter and Bud Selig have something in common. I would love to be a part of a league in which the Commissioner only cares about the integrity of the league and not the competitiveness of his team. Does this type of league exist?

nomarSS5 · 11-08-2003, 11:17 PM

actually, you read my mind, im thinking of restarting, finding the most up-to-date roster patch(if someone could give me a link to a download site it would be much appreciated) and then just be commish and not have a team...and then if i decide to do so anyone who wants to join then contact me...ill post if i decide to do so.

sunnydoo · 11-09-2003, 12:16 AM

oh thank you lord! A new mfitter thread to enjoy. I cant think of anything I need for christmas now. Here is the Topic: Mfitter vs. Bud Selig. Discuss and enjoy.

Slant · 11-09-2003, 12:34 AM

As the commish of Future League Baseball (check sig) , I won't own a team. I'm not even ready to ask for owners yet, but I'm looking forward to starting the league.

LivnLegend · 11-09-2003, 12:36 AM

My guess is that less than 10% of online leagues feature a Commissioner who does not run a team. Probably closer to 5%.
I have always preferred to join leagues where the Commissioner does have a team.
I was always afraid the Commissioner who has no team might be more likely to lose interest in the league and run it with less passion as time went on. Mind you, I have no data to back that up and I could be flat out wrong. Just my theory.
Seeing as that I have only joined leagues run by some of the most upstanding Commissioners in the community, guys like Shane Orr, Mark Cooley, and three-headed monster that once ran 4CBA, I have no reason to worry about the type of situations you mentioned from that mfitterer1/BigWillis debacle.

CommishJoe · 11-09-2003, 09:39 AM

In the TLB, the 2 people who run sims own a team. However, I remained as a co-commish, even though I gave up ownership of my Yankees, so I suppose we have a mixture of both

I've been running leagues since 1999, and this is the first time I've not owned a team. It's just something I never really considered.

rem · 11-09-2003, 11:41 AM

Am I the only one in the world who isn't worried about my Commishes cheating?

UKSubs · 11-09-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by remangiii
Am I the only one in the world who isn't worried about my Commishes cheating?

I think most people trust their commissioners. If you had no trust that your commissioner(s) was not cheating, you would quit the league and find someone you have faith in.

I also have to agree with LL. I prefer to join leagues where the Commissioners have an investment in the league other than entertaining us. Most people are not selfless enough to devote themselves to the task of running a league without having some potential for benefit, such as running a team in a league the way they want a league to be run.

That being said, I have been a part of the Summer of '49 since the beginning and our beloved Commissioner there, Nathan Corzine has been nothing but devoted to the league without owning a team. So, it is possible to find a great league where a commissioner doesn't own a team. But as a general rule, I think commissioners like to run teams in the leagues they create and aside from a bad apple or two, they are all stand up guys who put the interests of the league first.

Karen Lutz · 11-09-2003, 05:01 PM

WBL (in my sig) has a commish who doesn't run a team, he just loves running a fun league.

Lubby · 11-09-2003, 05:55 PM

I would give up my team if I could find a decent GM, but it is hard to find active solid GMs to fill every team. I would give up my team for a real good GM if the rest of the GMs were active as well, but otherwise it makes no sense.

Greg
CWBL Commish
http://www.cwbl.ca

Karen Lutz · 11-09-2003, 07:50 PM

we have 30 active GM's, will have 32 next season when we expand.

scotto313 · 11-09-2003, 07:58 PM

Looks like a good league.

sporr · 11-10-2003, 01:45 PM

Thanks for the kind words Legend. I have often considered stepping down from team ownership in Maelstrom to focus on other aspects of the league, but ownership doesn't really take up a significant amount of time anyway. The only way that I would ever do it now is if there was a very solid owner to come in to take my place and if I felt that I could use the time saved to make the league better.

Vicecommish2 · 11-10-2003, 03:13 PM

BIG baseball's commish does not own a team...never has. Completely impartial. The way it NEEDS to be

IatricSB · 11-10-2003, 03:28 PM

I commish both Golden Days and MLB Replay and do not own a team in either.

Subby · 11-10-2003, 04:43 PM

The FOBL commish is Canadian, so we don't really worry about him being dis-honest

Karen Lutz · 11-10-2003, 08:03 PM

lol, that's funny, so is the WBL commish!....... and so am I.

fhomess · 11-11-2003, 04:32 PM

The DDB has a full-time commish. If you're at all familiar with the league than you know that he's as dedicated as they come, and has created a world beyond the normal OOTP universe which keeps him interested, including outside the game ratings which affect what happens in the game. I can't imagine him ever getting bored of the league, although he may eventually find he doesn't have the time. When that day comes, I'll be happy I was a part of one of the most unique leagues I've seen on these boards.

11-08-2003, 11:10 PM	#1
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	True Commissioners I recently applied to what looked like a very good league and was denied. The Commissioner said in my rejection e-mail he was thinking of stepping down as the owner of his team in the near future and would consider me to take over his team if this happens. That got me thinking. How many Online Leagues have non owner Commissioners? It would appear to be a great idea. The conflict of interest aspect would be virtually non-existent. I obviously realize the appeal to being an owner, but the owner/Commissioner did not work in MLB. I think mfitter and Bud Selig have something in common. I would love to be a part of a league in which the Commissioner only cares about the integrity of the league and not the competitiveness of his team. Does this type of league exist?

11-09-2003, 12:16 AM	#3
sunnydoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tennessee/Colorado Posts: 103	oh thank you lord! A new mfitter thread to enjoy. I cant think of anything I need for christmas now. Here is the Topic: Mfitter vs. Bud Selig. Discuss and enjoy. __________________ "Genius attracts genius, just as stupidity attracts stupidity. Wisdom is knowing the difference." "I am so confused!"-Vinny Barbarino Minneapolis Millers, NML 1935 Great North Division/Western Conference Champs Santo Domingo Admirals, PABF 2016 PABF CHAMPS!!! 2017 SE Division Keg Creek Coyote Uglies,POTD 2009 Appy WC

11-09-2003, 12:34 AM	#4
Slant Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 257	As the commish of Future League Baseball (check sig) , I won't own a team. I'm not even ready to ask for owners yet, but I'm looking forward to starting the league. __________________ Boiler Room Project

11-09-2003, 12:36 AM	#5
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	My guess is that less than 10% of online leagues feature a Commissioner who does not run a team. Probably closer to 5%. I have always preferred to join leagues where the Commissioner does have a team. I was always afraid the Commissioner who has no team might be more likely to lose interest in the league and run it with less passion as time went on. Mind you, I have no data to back that up and I could be flat out wrong. Just my theory. Seeing as that I have only joined leagues run by some of the most upstanding Commissioners in the community, guys like Shane Orr, Mark Cooley, and three-headed monster that once ran 4CBA, I have no reason to worry about the type of situations you mentioned from that mfitterer1/BigWillis debacle. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

11-09-2003, 09:39 AM	#6
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	In the TLB, the 2 people who run sims own a team. However, I remained as a co-commish, even though I gave up ownership of my Yankees, so I suppose we have a mixture of both I've been running leagues since 1999, and this is the first time I've not owned a team. It's just something I never really considered. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

11-08-2003, 11:17 PM	#2
nomarSS5 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marion, Il Posts: 63	actually, you read my mind, im thinking of restarting, finding the most up-to-date roster patch(if someone could give me a link to a download site it would be much appreciated) and then just be commish and not have a team...and then if i decide to do so anyone who wants to join then contact me...ill post if i decide to do so.

11-09-2003, 11:41 AM	#7
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	Am I the only one in the world who isn't worried about my Commishes cheating? __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-09-2003, 05:01 PM	#9
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	WBL (in my sig) has a commish who doesn't run a team, he just loves running a fun league.

11-09-2003, 05:55 PM	#10
Lubby Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Parry Sound Posts: 184	I would give up my team if I could find a decent GM, but it is hard to find active solid GMs to fill every team. I would give up my team for a real good GM if the rest of the GMs were active as well, but otherwise it makes no sense. Greg CWBL Commish http://www.cwbl.ca

11-09-2003, 07:50 PM	#11
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	we have 30 active GM's, will have 32 next season when we expand.

11-09-2003, 07:58 PM	#12
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,220	Looks like a good league.

11-10-2003, 01:45 PM	#13
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Thanks for the kind words Legend. I have often considered stepping down from team ownership in Maelstrom to focus on other aspects of the league, but ownership doesn't really take up a significant amount of time anyway. The only way that I would ever do it now is if there was a very solid owner to come in to take my place and if I felt that I could use the time saved to make the league better.

11-10-2003, 03:13 PM	#14
Vicecommish2 Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 18	BIG baseball's commish does not own a team...never has. Completely impartial. The way it NEEDS to be __________________ David Cubs GM Vice-Commish II American League President vicecommish2@big-baseball.com Outdors21@aol.com Outdors21 on AIM Big Baseball League www.big-baseball.com

11-10-2003, 03:28 PM	#15
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	I commish both Golden Days and MLB Replay and do not own a team in either. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

11-10-2003, 04:43 PM	#16
Subby Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 375	The FOBL commish is Canadian, so we don't really worry about him being dis-honest

11-10-2003, 08:03 PM	#17
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898	lol, that's funny, so is the WBL commish!....... and so am I.

11-11-2003, 04:32 PM	#18
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,693	The DDB has a full-time commish. If you're at all familiar with the league than you know that he's as dedicated as they come, and has created a world beyond the normal OOTP universe which keeps him interested, including outside the game ratings which affect what happens in the game. I can't imagine him ever getting bored of the league, although he may eventually find he doesn't have the time. When that day comes, I'll be happy I was a part of one of the most unique leagues I've seen on these boards. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.