Talent Developments for same teams every year!!!

Qrashman · 09-03-2003, 02:47 AM

This is really getting me angry.

I am in the 9th season of my sim league and the same exact teams get ridiculous talent increases every season. White Sox, Dodgers and Oakland (more the first two). Every year they get a bunch of studs. We have no coaches or scouts.

But its the SAME teams every damn year. It's completely ruining the parity in the league. The Dodgers have some of the most amazing pitching prospects I've ever seen in this league all developed out of nothing in the past 3 seasons.

I know people are going to come at me with "look at the cubs", but this is supposed to be random. It could ruin leagues.

Any other leagues find this happening?

kq76 · 09-03-2003, 02:50 AM

solo or online league?

Markus Heinsohn · 09-03-2003, 03:10 AM

It is definitely random, and it sure looks like those three teams have been extremely lucky!

Qrashman · 09-03-2003, 04:33 AM

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Originally posted by kq76
solo or online league?

online league.

I want to think its random, but its consistently the same teams for since we converted to v4. Just weird stuff.

Kelric · 09-03-2003, 08:51 AM

Any possibility of the person (people?) running the sims to be cheating? If not, it is completely random as Markus said - 'cause I know more about the way the game was coded than he does, so I am much more trustworthy as a source than that Markus fellow. The emotion chip clouds his mind sometimes.

obaslg · 09-03-2003, 08:51 AM

I've seen something similar, though perhaps not as bad. Two possible answers:
1) Simple luck, combined with the bullseyeing effect - in any random distribution, you're going to have the cases on either end (here, teams with a lot of increases and teams with few) - it's a mistake to draw a circle around those cases and ask what's so special about them, since they're just a natural effect of the random distribution.
2) Owners are finding a way to predict increases. I have heard that if you sim ahead several times, you get somewhat consistent results in ratings changes. I don't know if that applies to talent changes as well.

Cowboys3356 · 09-03-2003, 11:54 AM

I find that there is usually nothing "random" about things that happen in an online league. You might want to consider moving to a league where things are not so "random".

spleen1015 · 09-03-2003, 12:02 PM

I remember there being grumbling about this when OOTP4 was the current version. Markus made it clear then that things were totally random.

I haven't heard of anyone complaining about this with OOTP5.

ctorg · 09-03-2003, 12:28 PM

Are you playing with scouts and coaches? If so, could really good coaches have had an effect?

spleen1015 · 09-03-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Qrashman
We have no coaches or scouts.

ctorg · 09-03-2003, 01:23 PM

Duh, oops! Guess I missed that.

sporr · 09-03-2003, 01:54 PM

I have seen nothing to suggest that there is anything less than a random distribution of talent bumps.

Kezzek · 09-03-2003, 02:31 PM

It's frustrating, but it *is* random.

Qrashman · 09-03-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Any possibility of the person (people?) running the sims to be cheating?

I run the sims

spleen1015 · 09-03-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Qrashman
I run the sims

Are you simming using he keyboard or the mouse? Left hand or right hand?

This plays a part you know.

I think it is all random, Qrash, in OOTP5 anyway.

Draft Dodger · 09-03-2003, 03:43 PM

well, my White Sox in the NAHHBL certainly haven't been on the receiving end of any special treatment.

darkhorse · 09-03-2003, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Qrashman
I run the sims

I was beginning to wonder if the thread originator was the GM causing a stir in the FBBL, til this post cleared that up.

SoxWin · 09-03-2003, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
well, my White Sox in the NAHHBL certainly haven't been on the receiving end of any special treatment.

Getting bent over by the league there too eh?

obaslg · 09-03-2003, 04:17 PM

I have very good reason to believe that the ratings changes are not entirely random - the guy who told me is the kind who tests everything carefully. Like I said, I don't know about the talents.

Kelric · 09-03-2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Qrashman
I run the sims

Do you cheat?

09-03-2003, 02:47 AM	#1
Qrashman All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NY Posts: 651	Talent Developments for same teams every year!!! This is really getting me angry. I am in the 9th season of my sim league and the same exact teams get ridiculous talent increases every season. White Sox, Dodgers and Oakland (more the first two). Every year they get a bunch of studs. We have no coaches or scouts. But its the SAME teams every damn year. It's completely ruining the parity in the league. The Dodgers have some of the most amazing pitching prospects I've ever seen in this league all developed out of nothing in the past 3 seasons. I know people are going to come at me with "look at the cubs", but this is supposed to be random. It could ruin leagues. Any other leagues find this happening? __________________ ------------------- Montreal Expos / Calgary Storm, HBL HBL Baseball - Founded March 2001. HBL Waiting List

09-03-2003, 02:50 AM	#2
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09-03-2003, 08:51 AM	#6
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	I've seen something similar, though perhaps not as bad. Two possible answers: 1) Simple luck, combined with the bullseyeing effect - in any random distribution, you're going to have the cases on either end (here, teams with a lot of increases and teams with few) - it's a mistake to draw a circle around those cases and ask what's so special about them, since they're just a natural effect of the random distribution. 2) Owners are finding a way to predict increases. I have heard that if you sim ahead several times, you get somewhat consistent results in ratings changes. I don't know if that applies to talent changes as well. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

09-03-2003, 12:28 PM	#9
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09-03-2003, 01:23 PM	#11
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Duh, oops! Guess I missed that. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-03-2003, 03:10 AM	#3
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	It is definitely random, and it sure looks like those three teams have been extremely lucky!

09-03-2003, 08:51 AM	#5
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Any possibility of the person (people?) running the sims to be cheating? If not, it is completely random as Markus said - 'cause I know more about the way the game was coded than he does, so I am much more trustworthy as a source than that Markus fellow. The emotion chip clouds his mind sometimes.

09-03-2003, 11:54 AM	#7
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	I find that there is usually nothing "random" about things that happen in an online league. You might want to consider moving to a league where things are not so "random".

09-03-2003, 12:02 PM	#8
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	I remember there being grumbling about this when OOTP4 was the current version. Markus made it clear then that things were totally random. I haven't heard of anyone complaining about this with OOTP5.

09-03-2003, 01:54 PM	#12
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I have seen nothing to suggest that there is anything less than a random distribution of talent bumps.

09-03-2003, 02:31 PM	#13
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	It's frustrating, but it is random. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

09-03-2003, 03:43 PM	#16
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	well, my White Sox in the NAHHBL certainly haven't been on the receiving end of any special treatment. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

09-03-2003, 04:17 PM	#19
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	I have very good reason to believe that the ratings changes are not entirely random - the guy who told me is the kind who tests everything carefully. Like I said, I don't know about the talents. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.