Stamina

[thunder71]

Why do pitchers almost always pass their stamina pitching numbers without getting tired until a good bit afterwards?

[Questdog]

What are "stamina pitching numbers"?

[thunder71]

A pitcher has a stamina rating. According to the manual, that is how many pitches he throws before tiring. But he doesn't really start tiring until much later. I wonder if anyone has any insights into how I should view stamina? Thanks.

[Silfir]

The Stamina rating isn't a numerical representation of how many pitches the player can throw before he tires out - it's like all the other ratings a player has, like speed, sacrifice bunt, home run power or turn double plays. I use the 1...20 scale, where 1 is awful and 20 is awesome. What you've probably set at the moment is the 20...80 scale, where 20 is awful and 80 is awesome.

Any pitcher rated as a "Starter" (with a stamina of at least 6 on the 1...20 scale) can throw at least 90-100 pitches before getting tired. The 20 stamina guys can go deeper, though the other effect of Stamina, I think, is how quickly they recover from going deep to be able to pitch again.

[MrBojangles]

I have noticed that the exact same stamina rating (on a 1-20 scale) doesn't get the same results from a SP and an RP. A SP with a stamina of say, 15, can go several innings deep (maybe 6-7) into the game before tiring. A RP with the same stamina of 15, can go 2-3 innings before tiring.
I get it that innings doesn't exactly align with pitches thrown. However, I have noticed this difference between SP and RP stamina for a while now and simply made it a consideration in my game.

[Kent814]

The difference in RP and SP stamina is because RP have to pitch sooner than SP do, who have 4 days of rest till they start again

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by MrBojangles

I have noticed that the exact same stamina rating (on a 1-20 scale) doesn't get the same results from a SP and an RP. A SP with a stamina of say, 15, can go several innings deep (maybe 6-7) into the game before tiring. A RP with the same stamina of 15, can go 2-3 innings before tiring.
I get it that innings doesn't exactly align with pitches thrown. However, I have noticed this difference between SP and RP stamina for a while now and simply made it a consideration in my game.

that is due to the resolution of your scale, if it is 2 players of the same position/role. 2 15's aren't necessarily the same stamina - and that doesn't even consider scouting inaccuracy settings.

working as an sp or an rp will affect how stamina works, too. an rp's preperation is different. how they are used is different. it's all relative to their roles..

an RP gets tired faster because he has to be able to work back-to-back days. he can't go out and throw 40-60+ pitches and do that... they also throw harder in relieft work - expend more energy per pitch.

innings definitely aren't as good as pitches in determining workload... however, you also must not any extended innings of work... in RL they rarely let a pitcher, RP or SP, throw more than ~40 in 1 inning of work. it becoems an injury concern. relative to understanding workload and wear/tear, how often they work "too much" in one inning would be just as important to know as # of pitches.

the situation doesn't make someone more tired... if they are mentally weak it may affect them, but it's not something physically affecting their body's chemistry. you do tend to throw more in those situations, but it's a weaker correlation compared to using # of pitches. so, it's inaccurate and therefore more likely to fool you.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by thunder71

A pitcher has a stamina rating. According to the manual, that is how many pitches he throws before tiring. But he doesn't really start tiring until much later. I wonder if anyone has any insights into how I should view stamina? Thanks.

Silfir seems to have explained it well.

[Number4]

To explain the stamina difference between starters and relievers:

Relievers are giving it all. Starters do hold just a little bit back, allowing them to work for a much longer time. However they do need to regenerate more, usually 4 rest days between starts.

After a reliever "sprints", he just needs to catch his breath a bit. He might be ready the next day if needed and the amount of pitches thrown (the "distance ran" so to speak) was low, but cannot go on daily all the time.

The starter runs long distance, but after the race, he does not need to get his breath, he needs a proper rest and regenration.

All in all, a starter works much more innings than a reliever, so the best pitchers become starters. However, they need to have either 3 solid pitches or a knuckleball in addition to stamina and just being good.