Rule V question

Germaniac · 04-13-2012, 10:14 AM

I hope somebody can answer this for me:

In an online league I have picked up a player in the Rule V-draft. The guy was on the 60-day DL and not protected.

I drafted him and put him on my 60-day DL.

Now I know that players that are drafted in the Rule V have to be on the active roster (or DL) all season long - but ... can I send him to the minors for a rehab assignment before bringing him back to the majors ??

Did somebody have this situation before ??

olivertheorem · 04-13-2012, 01:04 PM

I don't mess with rehab assignments personally (and don't own 13 yet

), but I'm pretty sure you can do a rehab assignment with him since you're technically not demoting him.

Le Grande Orange · 04-13-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

I hope somebody can answer this for me:

In an online league I have picked up a player in the Rule V-draft. The guy was on the 60-day DL and not protected.

Argh, that's a mistake right there. I know this was mentioned as a bug and had thought it had been addressed. It would seem I was wrong about that...

Germaniac · 04-13-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Argh, that's a mistake right there. I know this was mentioned as a bug and had thought it had been addressed. It would seem I was wrong about that...

I did that in an v12 league ... I just figured that my question would have a better chance to be answered in the OOTP13 section.

But to make it clear: A player on the 60-day DL would not have to be protected for the Rule V draft ??

RchW · 04-13-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

I did that in an v12 league ... I just figured that my question would have a better chance to be answered in the OOTP13 section.

But to make it clear: A player on the 60-day DL would not have to be protected for the Rule V draft ??

To go on the 60 day DL means you are on the 40 man by definition. As LGO says this should have been fixed.

Syd Thrift · 04-13-2012, 07:47 PM

Heh, I just got victimized by this exact thing in an OOTP12 league as well. Are we *sure* this is the case? I know that the entire point of the 60 day DL is that the player in question isn't counted against the 40 man roster... so is the deal that if you have a guy tucked away on the DL, he's exempt from Rule V, or is it that he's considered to be on the roster even though he isn't on there? In the end it only cost me a 2.5 star pitcher (albeit a cost-controlled one) but if there is a bug here, what is it, exactly?

umwol13 · 04-13-2012, 07:50 PM

No, the MLB rule states that the players on the 60 day DL must be placed back on the 40 man roster immediately when the offseason begins. The mistake is OOTP failing to implement that rule.

Syd Thrift · 04-13-2012, 08:26 PM

Oh, okay. Well, still screwed me because I had plenty of spots left in my 40 man roster.

RchW · 04-13-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Heh, I just got victimized by this exact thing in an OOTP12 league as well. Are we *sure* this is the case? I know that the entire point of the 60 day DL is that the player in question isn't counted against the 40 man roster... so is the deal that if you have a guy tucked away on the DL, he's exempt from Rule V, or is it that he's considered to be on the roster even though he isn't on there? In the end it only cost me a 2.5 star pitcher (albeit a cost-controlled one) but if there is a bug here, what is it, exactly?

Minor league players don't have a 60 day DL IRL. OOTPB does AFAIK. I haven't confirmed this in v13 yet.

umwol13 · 04-13-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Minor league players don't have a 60 day DL IRL. OOTPB does AFAIK. I haven't confirmed this in v13 yet.

There isn't a 60 day DL for minor leaguers in OOTP but entertain this scenerio:

Prospect Pitcher gets added to the 40 man roster and gets invited for spring training. During the last week of spring training, Prospect Pitcher gets injured and needs Tommy John Surgery. OOTPB won't allow you to demote an injured player, so Prospect Pitcher gets placed on the 60 day DL to open a spot on the 40 man roster for someone who is physically able. So while there's no 60 day DL for minor leaguers IRL, OOTP's coding forces that.

Then, when the season ends, Prospect Pitcher is still injured. While MLB requires that player be placed back on the 40 man roster at that time IRL, OOTP has no such requirement.

Syd Thrift · 04-14-2012, 12:04 AM

Does the real-life MLB allow you to demote a player whose name has appeared on an injury report? ISTR that being a specific plank of the CBA, but hey, I could be wrong. It is known to happen...

Le Grande Orange · 04-14-2012, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by umwol13

No, the MLB rule states that the players on the 60 day DL must be placed back on the 40 man roster immediately when the offseason begins. The mistake is OOTP failing to implement that rule.

The actual rule states that all players on the 60-day DL must be reinstated by the date the reserve rosters are filed (Nov. 20th). So in other words the 60-day DL ceases to operate on Nov. 20th, leaving only the 40-man roster.

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Originally Posted by RchW

Minor league players don't have a 60 day DL IRL. OOTPB does AFAIK. I haven't confirmed this in v13 yet.

There is a 60-day DL in the minor leagues—see MLR 2(h)(1)(b). But it is rarely used since there is little need to free up a reserve roster spot in the minors like there is at the major league level.

Le Grande Orange · 04-14-2012, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Does the real-life MLB allow you to demote a player whose name has appeared on an injury report? ISTR that being a specific plank of the CBA, but hey, I could be wrong. It is known to happen...

By rule a player on a major league DL cannot be assigned to the minors. When the DLs are not in effect an injured player who is unable to play can be assigned to a minor league club but only under a very limited set of conditions. See Article XIX (C) (2) of the CBA. (The full text of the newest CBA has not been released yet, but the section in question has been the same for the past few CBAs so I doubt it will have changed in the new one.)

gosensgo101 · 04-14-2012, 03:20 AM

In real life, I believe the 60-day DL does not exist during the offseason. Once the offseason starts, they go back on the 40-man, and you have to make room for them.

endgame · 04-14-2012, 12:50 PM

Okay, so let's clear the air here, or at least my confusion (now) on the matter. A player on a 60-day DL is, by definition, not on the 40-man roster. So how is this player able to be protected in the Rule 5 draft? It appears he can't be protected, so the alternative, if you want this, is to have him occupy a 40-man slot until after the draft, then put him on DL, or put him on a 15-day and extend it?

Le Grande Orange · 04-14-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

...so the alternative, if you want this, is to have him occupy a 40-man slot until after the draft, then put him on DL, or put him on a 15-day and extend it?

The best option would be to have OOTP stop allowing the DL after the World Series is over and only have the 40-man roster. So once the post-season is finished, all players on the DL must be reinstated to the 40-man roster, and the DL doesn't start up again until early in the pre-season.

Cras · 04-14-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The best option would be to have OOTP stop allowing the DL after the World Series is over and only have the 40-man roster. So once the post-season is finished, all players on the DL must be reinstated to the 40-man roster, and the DL doesn't start up again until early in the pre-season.

Sounds like a sesnible way to implement this.

endgame · 04-14-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The best option would be to have OOTP stop allowing the DL after the World Series is over and only have the 40-man roster. So once the post-season is finished, all players on the DL must be reinstated to the 40-man roster, and the DL doesn't start up again until early in the pre-season.

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Originally Posted by Cras

Sounds like a sesnible way to implement this.

So has this particular issue been PT'd as you've stated it here, LGO?

Le Grande Orange · 04-14-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

So has this particular issue been PT'd as you've stated it here, LGO?

I had thought the question of players on the 60-day DL being eligible for Rule 5 selection had been PT'd some time ago. I'm certain it had come up for discussion before, if nothing else.

JC769 · 04-15-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

I hope somebody can answer this for me:

In an online league I have picked up a player in the Rule V-draft. The guy was on the 60-day DL and not protected.

I drafted him and put him on my 60-day DL.

Now I know that players that are drafted in the Rule V have to be on the active roster (or DL) all season long - but ... can I send him to the minors for a rehab assignment before bringing him back to the majors ??

Did somebody have this situation before ??

Everybody else did a good job of discussing the mistake on OOTP's behalf, so I will answer the question posed about rehab assignments.

Yes, you can send the player to a rehab assignment when he is healthy again. This is just like any regular Rule V player who gets injured during the season, you put him on the DL, then rehab him. Similar to what most teams do to hide their Rule V guys.

04-13-2012, 10:14 AM	#1
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,059	Rule V question I hope somebody can answer this for me: In an online league I have picked up a player in the Rule V-draft. The guy was on the 60-day DL and not protected. I drafted him and put him on my 60-day DL. Now I know that players that are drafted in the Rule V have to be on the active roster (or DL) all season long - but ... can I send him to the minors for a rehab assignment before bringing him back to the majors ?? Did somebody have this situation before ?? __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947 Last edited by Germaniac; 04-13-2012 at 10:15 AM.

04-14-2012, 12:50 PM	#15
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Okay, so let's clear the air here, or at least my confusion (now) on the matter. A player on a 60-day DL is, by definition, not on the 40-man roster. So how is this player able to be protected in the Rule 5 draft? It appears he can't be protected, so the alternative, if you want this, is to have him occupy a 40-man slot until after the draft, then put him on DL, or put him on a 15-day and extend it? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

04-13-2012, 01:04 PM	#2
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	I don't mess with rehab assignments personally (and don't own 13 yet ), but I'm pretty sure you can do a rehab assignment with him since you're technically not demoting him.

04-13-2012, 07:50 PM	#7
umwol13 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 52	No, the MLB rule states that the players on the 60 day DL must be placed back on the 40 man roster immediately when the offseason begins. The mistake is OOTP failing to implement that rule.

04-14-2012, 03:20 AM	#14
gosensgo101 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 231	In real life, I believe the 60-day DL does not exist during the offseason. Once the offseason starts, they go back on the 40-man, and you have to make room for them.