NE1 ever tried this

Bluenoser · 08-03-2002, 11:30 AM

NE1 ever teach a new position to a reliever and make him into a starter?

If so, what were the long term results like, good, bad, ugly?

Was thinking if you took a reliever with a C or B endurance rating, he might have a shot as a starter. I could be wrong too though.....

Scott Vibert · 08-03-2002, 11:39 AM

I think you have to do it in Spring Training, (it can't to my knowledge be done in the minors) I know it works sometimes although don't expect a great endurance rating for the pitcher.

Jermanfu · 08-03-2002, 12:29 PM

I have done this before. I've taken a RP and taught him to be a starter in Spring Training. He was an A in RP and when he learned to be a starter, he began with a D endurance. However, over the course of the next couple of years in the minors (he was a youngster) he went up to having an endurance of C.

edm · 08-03-2002, 01:41 PM

sometimes in the draft there are very good relievers still available late in the rounds which are also rated E as a starter. I haven't been able to not convert one yet. One in my current league is one of the top starters in the league.

Malleus Dei · 08-03-2002, 03:32 PM

I've done it succesfully if the reliever also had a rating as a starter.

jblaze03fuel · 08-03-2002, 04:03 PM

The Minnesota Twins in WSBL my league with the link below had 4 closers so he decided to convert Jose Jimenez. His ratings dropped to around 5 in avoid runs...and he had a couple goods, but he is a successful SP.

jblaze03fuel · 08-03-2002, 04:06 PM

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 NAME : Jose Jimenez
 NICKNAME : 
 ORIGIN : Dominican Republic

 BIRTHDAY : 7/7/1973
 AGE : 29
 HEIGHT : 6"3
 WEIGHT : 228

 POSITION : Pitcher
 ROLE : Starter
 BATS : Right
 THROWS : Right

 CONTRACT : $447,500 through 2002
 DESIRE TO PLAY FOR WINNER: Minimal
 LOYALTY : Minimal
 TEAM LEADER : None at all
 CONSISTENCY : Normal
 CLUTCH PERFORMANCE : Normal
 INJURY RATING : Normal
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 DEFENSIVE RATINGS :

Range at Pitcher : C (Fielding Pct. : 1.000)
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 PITCHING RATINGS :

Duration as Starter : E
Duration as Reliever : D
Holding Runners : C
Groundball Pct. : 57

Avoiding Runs : 6
Avoiding Hits : 6 (VS. RHB : 7, VS. LHB : 6, Talent Good)
Avoiding Doubles : 6 (VS. RHB : 6, VS. LHB : 6, Talent Good)
Avoiding Homeruns : 7 (VS. RHB : 7, VS. LHB : 7, Talent Good)
Avoiding BB's : 4 (VS. RHB : 4, VS. LHB : 4, Talent Average)
Getting Strikeouts : 5 (VS. RHB : 4, VS. LHB : 5, Talent Average)

Throwing Velocity : 6
Pitch Assortment : , Fastball, Changeup, Curveball
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 PITCHING STATS :

Category ERA W L S G GS IP HA R ER BB K
Overall 3.44 6 2 0 19 19 104.2 84 44 40 42 60
At Home 2.42 3 1 0 8 8 48.1 42 16 13 19 23
Away 4.31 3 1 0 11 11 56.1 42 28 27 23 37
Last Week 3.38 0 0 0 1 1 2.2 2 1 1 0 1
This Week 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0
Apr/Mar 3.38 3 1 0 6 6 37.1 26 15 14 13 27
May 3.32 1 0 0 4 4 19.0 11 7 7 13 11
June 4.32 2 1 0 6 6 33.1 38 18 16 12 18
July 1.80 0 0 0 3 3 15.0 9 4 3 4 4

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 CAREER STATS :

YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS
1998 3.00 3 0 0 4 0 0 21.0 7 8 12 SLN
1999 5.85 5 14 0 29 2 2 163.0 106 71 113 SLN
2000 3.21 5 2 24 72 0 0 70.0 25 28 44 COL
2001 4.09 6 1 17 56 0 0 55.0 25 22 37 COL

Total ERA : 4.42
Total Wins : 25
Total Losses: 19
Total Saves : 41
Total SHO : 2
Total CG : 2
Total K's : 266
Total BB's : 171

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Sabathia · 08-03-2002, 04:23 PM

You can do it in ST and with the minors. I've done it with both, but I've never had anyone go to anything better than an E in the minors.

jblaze03fuel · 08-04-2002, 12:14 AM

that is how the twins did it. ST. I dont think its such a great idea. I hope it's better improved area in v5

WWBL Commissioner · 08-04-2002, 12:24 AM

I would really like to se one overall endurance rating instead of seperate ones

Cooleyvol · 08-04-2002, 10:59 AM

JBlaze,

Is it possible for you to post WITHOUT mentioning your league. Geez!!

jag2k2 · 08-05-2002, 11:14 AM

It can be done in Spring Training, but like it was said before the pitcher starts off with very low endurance. I have performed this on Curt Schilling in a 1990 league. He did not loose considerable pitching ratings during the transistion.

08-03-2002, 11:30 AM	#1
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,508	NE1 ever tried this NE1 ever teach a new position to a reliever and make him into a starter? If so, what were the long term results like, good, bad, ugly? Was thinking if you took a reliever with a C or B endurance rating, he might have a shot as a starter. I could be wrong too though.....

08-03-2002, 12:29 PM	#3
Jermanfu All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 899	I have done this before. I've taken a RP and taught him to be a starter in Spring Training. He was an A in RP and when he learned to be a starter, he began with a D endurance. However, over the course of the next couple of years in the minors (he was a youngster) he went up to having an endurance of C. __________________ "I took the two most expensive asprins in history." - Wally Pipp on his decision to sit out a game with a headache which let Lou Gehrig into the lineup for the first time. http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a121/Jermanfu/

08-03-2002, 04:06 PM	#7
jblaze03fuel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 920	<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <title>OOTP V4 REPORT</title></head> <body bgcolor="White"> <hr WIDTH="100%"> <pre> <font color="Navy"> <b> NAME : Jose Jimenez</b> <b> NICKNAME : </b> <b> ORIGIN : Dominican Republic</b> <b> BIRTHDAY : 7/7/1973</b> <b> AGE : 29</b> <b> HEIGHT : 6"3</b> <b> WEIGHT : 228</b> <b> POSITION : Pitcher</b> <b> ROLE : Starter</b> <b> BATS : Right</b> <b> THROWS : Right</b> <b> CONTRACT : $447,500 through 2002</b> <b> DESIRE TO PLAY FOR WINNER: Minimal</b> <b> LOYALTY : Minimal</b> <b> TEAM LEADER : None at all</b> <b> CONSISTENCY : Normal</b> <b> CLUTCH PERFORMANCE : Normal</b> <b> INJURY RATING : Normal</b> <hr WIDTH="100%"> <b> DEFENSIVE RATINGS :</b> Range at Pitcher : C (Fielding Pct. : 1.000) <hr WIDTH="100%"> <b> PITCHING RATINGS :</b> Duration as Starter : E Duration as Reliever : D Holding Runners : C Groundball Pct. : 57 Avoiding Runs : 6 Avoiding Hits : 6 (VS. RHB : 7, VS. LHB : 6, Talent Good) Avoiding Doubles : 6 (VS. RHB : 6, VS. LHB : 6, Talent Good) Avoiding Homeruns : 7 (VS. RHB : 7, VS. LHB : 7, Talent Good) Avoiding BB's : 4 (VS. RHB : 4, VS. LHB : 4, Talent Average) Getting Strikeouts : 5 (VS. RHB : 4, VS. LHB : 5, Talent Average) Throwing Velocity : 6 Pitch Assortment : , Fastball, Changeup, Curveball <hr WIDTH="100%"> <b> PITCHING STATS :</b> Category ERA W L S G GS IP HA R ER BB K Overall 3.44 6 2 0 19 19 104.2 84 44 40 42 60 At Home 2.42 3 1 0 8 8 48.1 42 16 13 19 23 Away 4.31 3 1 0 11 11 56.1 42 28 27 23 37 Last Week 3.38 0 0 0 1 1 2.2 2 1 1 0 1 This Week 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 Apr/Mar 3.38 3 1 0 6 6 37.1 26 15 14 13 27 May 3.32 1 0 0 4 4 19.0 11 7 7 13 11 June 4.32 2 1 0 6 6 33.1 38 18 16 12 18 July 1.80 0 0 0 3 3 15.0 9 4 3 4 4 <hr WIDTH="100%"> <b> CAREER STATS :</b> YEAR ERA W L S G CG SHO IP ER BB K TEAMS 1998 3.00 3 0 0 4 0 0 21.0 7 8 12 SLN 1999 5.85 5 14 0 29 2 2 163.0 106 71 113 SLN 2000 3.21 5 2 24 72 0 0 70.0 25 28 44 COL 2001 4.09 6 1 17 56 0 0 55.0 25 22 37 COL Total ERA : 4.42 Total Wins : 25 Total Losses: 19 Total Saves : 41 Total SHO : 2 Total CG : 2 Total K's : 266 Total BB's : 171 <table width="80%"><tr><td><b>PLAYER HISTORY</b><br>Drafted in 9th round, 262nd overall pick, by Minnesota in 2002... </td></tr></table> </font> </pre> <br></br> <hr WIDTH="100%"> </body> </html>

08-04-2002, 12:24 AM	#10
WWBL Commissioner All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hawaii Posts: 887	I would really like to se one overall endurance rating instead of seperate ones __________________ Offey WWBL Commissioner(2004-2014 real life years) WWBL: Hawaii Island Warriors 2005 Pacific League Champion 2006 Pacific League Champion 2007 Pacific League Champion 2008 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2010 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2019 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION 2029 WWBL WORLD CHAMPION The Island Warriors are 21-23 in World Series play. BadAssBaseball: Boston Red Sox 1906 American League Champion 1907 WORLD CHAMPION

08-03-2002, 11:39 AM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,264	I think you have to do it in Spring Training, (it can't to my knowledge be done in the minors) I know it works sometimes although don't expect a great endurance rating for the pitcher.

08-03-2002, 01:41 PM	#4
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	sometimes in the draft there are very good relievers still available late in the rounds which are also rated E as a starter. I haven't been able to not convert one yet. One in my current league is one of the top starters in the league.

08-03-2002, 04:03 PM	#6
jblaze03fuel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 920	The Minnesota Twins in WSBL my league with the link below had 4 closers so he decided to convert Jose Jimenez. His ratings dropped to around 5 in avoid runs...and he had a couple goods, but he is a successful SP.

08-03-2002, 04:23 PM	#8
Sabathia Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 60	You can do it in ST and with the minors. I've done it with both, but I've never had anyone go to anything better than an E in the minors.

08-04-2002, 12:14 AM	#9
jblaze03fuel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 920	that is how the twins did it. ST. I dont think its such a great idea. I hope it's better improved area in v5

08-04-2002, 10:59 AM	#11
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	JBlaze, Is it possible for you to post WITHOUT mentioning your league. Geez!!

08-05-2002, 11:14 AM	#12
jag2k2 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 14	It can be done in Spring Training, but like it was said before the pitcher starts off with very low endurance. I have performed this on Curt Schilling in a 1990 league. He did not loose considerable pitching ratings during the transistion.