GForce/Rolen Project: Intangible Ratings...Your Input Is Wanted

GForce22 · 06-17-2002, 04:43 PM

Hey guys,

As we come down the home stretch here (finally) we get to some ratings that there is really no way to rate completely accurately without observing guys a lot. They are the ratings that you need to see a guy consistently in most cases to really get a feel for. I'm talking about things like loyalty, clutch rating, type of hitter (pull, spray, normal), those kind of things. These ratings are not imperative, but if I can get feedback on them I will add them. Also, any guys you think should be rated durable or prone, ratings on "play for a winner" (which measures if a guy plays hard all the time and such). Basically, anything you can think of for those kind of ratings, I'd love to hear it. Most guys in a lot of these categories will be normal, and I calculated a randomness factor in assigning these to guys, but I'll incorporate any feedback on these ratings since guys who have observed these players likely have some input.
Any questions, let me know.

Thanks!

GH

Specs · 06-17-2002, 04:58 PM

You could delegate off the intangible ratings to 28 fans of the ML clubs who watch them a lot... if you want, I'd do the Red Sox for you.

GForce22 · 06-17-2002, 04:59 PM

Specs,

I thought about that, but I'd rather not limit it to one guy. Basically, everyone can offer input on anybody they want. If you want to do the Red Sox, great. But if there are other Sox fans I don't want to tell them not to offer input. Whatever you can offer is appreciated.

GH

grismosw · 06-17-2002, 05:10 PM

For starters Griffey should be injury prone....even though I plan to start my career with the Reds.

dasperp · 06-17-2002, 05:23 PM

There are some people that you have to give clutch ratings to. Jeter, Rivera, and Schilling have to be great and Bonds and Bagwell should suffer.

Draft Dodger · 06-17-2002, 05:40 PM

a huge can of worms.

I'd randomize it.

GForce22 · 06-17-2002, 05:45 PM

Yeah Dodge,

I was thinking that but I figured I would let guys throw their opinions out there. When in doubt I'll probably randomize it anyway. Should make for a fun thread to read though

GH

Specs · 06-17-2002, 05:58 PM

Right now I have
Loyalty: 26% minimal, 39% average, 35% loyal
Winner: 71% no, 19% sometimes, 10% yes
Leader: 68% none, 26% some, 6% yes
Clutch: 16% suffers, 71% normal, 13% great
Constistency: 64% normal, 23% at times, 13% very inconsistent
Injury: 16% prone, 71% normal, 13% durable

GForce22 · 06-17-2002, 06:04 PM

What percentages are those? I already did generic percentages and guys are rated according to those. I was looking for specifics from people.

GH

grismosw · 06-17-2002, 06:12 PM

I personally would rather see all intangibles set the same before they were random, if Cal Ripken were still playing this roster set could have him as Injury Prone, Not Loyal, and Not a Leader.

Killer_Bs · 06-17-2002, 06:17 PM

The only thing I would worry about would be whether or not they are injury prone.

If you have their Games played in a spread sheet that should be a good enough indicator to go buy.

As for leadership and loyalty I think random is good way to go there.

Sweeney for KC is about the only loyalty standout I've seen. He took less money to return to a KC team which well, he needs to be commended for. I guess players who have spent their entire career with one team should also qualify here as well.

Hitting type...another one that should probably just be randomized. Of course you have your Barry Bonds shift where the 3B plays behind the bag at 2nd so he would qualify as a pull hitter, and there are several others but I'm not sure if it warrants holding up the rosters to research it over...maybe a nice addition in v2.0?

grismosw · 06-17-2002, 06:20 PM

My suggestions for the Reds -

Elmer Dessens
Play for a Winner: No

Danny Graves
Consistency: At Times

Joey Hamilton
Injury: Prone

Jimmy Haynes
Consistency: Inconsistent

Scott Sullivan
Clutch: Great
Consistency: Consistent
Play for a Winner: Yes
Loyal: Yes

Jose Rijo
Injury: Prone
Loyal: Yes
Play for a Winner: No

Aaron Boone
Loyal: Yes

Sean Casey
Leader: Yes
Winner: Yes

Barry Larkin
Leader: Sometimes
Winner: No
Loyal: Yes

Todd Walker
Winner: No

Adam Dunn
Leader: Sometimes
Winner: Yes

Juan Encarnacion
Winner: No
Loyal: No

Ken Griffey
Leader: None
Winner: No
Loyal: Yes
Injury: Prone
Consistency: At times

Everything else should be set to normal/default - ie neutral.

kevingrt · 06-17-2002, 06:21 PM

Well, I got a couple(Most Are WhiteSox) Sandy Alomar Jr. prone to injury. Frank Thomas not clutch and a pull hitter. Carlos Lee pull-hitter. Kenny Lofton clutch. Rocky Biddle clutch. Ray Durham inconsistent. Jose Valentin is a little leader. I'll keep on adding while I think but for now...

grismosw · 06-17-2002, 06:21 PM

Does hitting type even effect games?

GForce22 · 06-17-2002, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grismosw
Does hitting type even effect games?

I assumed it mattered for whether guys pull the ball or not so Mo Vaughn doesn't hit balls to left all the time.

ghostface · 06-18-2002, 12:22 AM

The Major League Scouting Notebook: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...sbn=188406499X
Pitch types, some intangibles, hit charts, clutch #'s, etc.
They also make a Minor League Scouting Notebook but that does contain less.

Specs · 06-18-2002, 12:44 AM

<pre><font size=1>
Loyal Winner Leader Clutch Consiste Injury
Arrojo M N N N N N
Banks M N N S N N
Burkett A S S N N D
Castillo A S N N N P
Crawford L N N N N N
Garces L N N S N N
Haney N N N N N N
Hmnson M S N N AT N
Lowe L S S G N D
Martinez L Y N N N P
Oliver M N N N AT N
Urbina N N N G AT N
Wakefield L N Y N VI D
Wallace M N N N N N
Mirabelli M N N N N N
Varitek L N S N N N
Clark M N N S VI N
G'parra L S N G N N
Hillnbr'nd L N S N AT N
Merloni L N S N AT P
Nelson A N N N N N
Offerman A N N S VI N
Pickering A N N N N N
Sanchez A N S S N N
Baerga A N S N N N
Damon A S S N N N
Daubach L N N N VI P
Diaz L N N N N N
Hndrson M Y N N N D
Nixon L N Y N AT N
Ramirez A Y N G AT P
</font></pre>

rferry · 06-18-2002, 02:53 AM

Craig Counsell - great in the clutch

GForce22 · 06-18-2002, 11:40 AM

great stuff, Specs. Thanks for the info!

The major league scouting book is the one book I didn't get this year. Rating the minor leaguers is much harder, so that's where my money went. Great book though...I have an old one sitting around somewhere.

GH

alinkens · 06-18-2002, 04:10 PM

These ratings are very biased from person to person. I would think the best way is to leave them random and then let people change them as they need to. I do that now using Lahmans 4.5 Database.

The only thing I would recommend is that anyone with a Team Captian title is given holds team together, ie John Franco.

06-17-2002, 04:43 PM	#1
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	GForce/Rolen Project: Intangible Ratings...Your Input Is Wanted Hey guys, As we come down the home stretch here (finally) we get to some ratings that there is really no way to rate completely accurately without observing guys a lot. They are the ratings that you need to see a guy consistently in most cases to really get a feel for. I'm talking about things like loyalty, clutch rating, type of hitter (pull, spray, normal), those kind of things. These ratings are not imperative, but if I can get feedback on them I will add them. Also, any guys you think should be rated durable or prone, ratings on "play for a winner" (which measures if a guy plays hard all the time and such). Basically, anything you can think of for those kind of ratings, I'd love to hear it. Most guys in a lot of these categories will be normal, and I calculated a randomness factor in assigning these to guys, but I'll incorporate any feedback on these ratings since guys who have observed these players likely have some input. Any questions, let me know. Thanks! GH

06-17-2002, 04:59 PM	#3
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Understood Specs, I thought about that, but I'd rather not limit it to one guy. Basically, everyone can offer input on anybody they want. If you want to do the Red Sox, great. But if there are other Sox fans I don't want to tell them not to offer input. Whatever you can offer is appreciated. GH

06-17-2002, 05:40 PM	#6
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	a huge can of worms. I'd randomize it. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

06-17-2002, 05:45 PM	#7
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	Hheheheheh!! Yeah Dodge, I was thinking that but I figured I would let guys throw their opinions out there. When in doubt I'll probably randomize it anyway. Should make for a fun thread to read though GH

06-17-2002, 06:04 PM	#9
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	%'s What percentages are those? I already did generic percentages and guys are rated according to those. I was looking for specifics from people. GH

06-17-2002, 05:10 PM	#4
grismosw Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Ohio Posts: 187	For starters Griffey should be injury prone....even though I plan to start my career with the Reds.

06-17-2002, 05:23 PM	#5
dasperp Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 61	There are some people that you have to give clutch ratings to. Jeter, Rivera, and Schilling have to be great and Bonds and Bagwell should suffer.

06-17-2002, 06:12 PM	#10
grismosw Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Ohio Posts: 187	I personally would rather see all intangibles set the same before they were random, if Cal Ripken were still playing this roster set could have him as Injury Prone, Not Loyal, and Not a Leader.

06-17-2002, 06:17 PM	#11
Killer_Bs Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Limestone, TN Posts: 126	The only thing I would worry about would be whether or not they are injury prone. If you have their Games played in a spread sheet that should be a good enough indicator to go buy. As for leadership and loyalty I think random is good way to go there. Sweeney for KC is about the only loyalty standout I've seen. He took less money to return to a KC team which well, he needs to be commended for. I guess players who have spent their entire career with one team should also qualify here as well. Hitting type...another one that should probably just be randomized. Of course you have your Barry Bonds shift where the 3B plays behind the bag at 2nd so he would qualify as a pull hitter, and there are several others but I'm not sure if it warrants holding up the rosters to research it over...maybe a nice addition in v2.0? __________________ <a href="http://usba.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Commissioner of the USBA</a> <a href="http://usba.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">USBA</a> - Las Vegas Scorpions <a href="http://nahhbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">NAHHBL</a> - <a href="http://www.geocities.com/dlayersjr/phillies/" target="_blank">Philadelphia Phillies</a> (1984) <a href="http://baseballsimcentral.com/dloads/Out_of_the_Park/Out_of_the_Park_4/Face_Packs/" target="_blank">Download my 1982 Facepacks at BaseballSimCentral!</a>

06-17-2002, 06:20 PM	#12
grismosw Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ottawa, Ohio Posts: 187	My suggestions for the Reds - Elmer Dessens Play for a Winner: No Danny Graves Consistency: At Times Joey Hamilton Injury: Prone Jimmy Haynes Consistency: Inconsistent Scott Sullivan Clutch: Great Consistency: Consistent Play for a Winner: Yes Loyal: Yes Jose Rijo Injury: Prone Loyal: Yes Play for a Winner: No Aaron Boone Loyal: Yes Sean Casey Leader: Yes Winner: Yes Barry Larkin Leader: Sometimes Winner: No Loyal: Yes Todd Walker Winner: No Adam Dunn Leader: Sometimes Winner: Yes Juan Encarnacion Winner: No Loyal: No Ken Griffey Leader: None Winner: No Loyal: Yes Injury: Prone Consistency: At times Everything else should be set to normal/default - ie neutral.

06-17-2002, 06:21 PM	#13
kevingrt Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 64	Well, I got a couple(Most Are WhiteSox) Sandy Alomar Jr. prone to injury. Frank Thomas not clutch and a pull hitter. Carlos Lee pull-hitter. Kenny Lofton clutch. Rocky Biddle clutch. Ray Durham inconsistent. Jose Valentin is a little leader. I'll keep on adding while I think but for now... __________________ come Visit My Site <a href="http://kevingrt.tripod.com" target="_blank">http://kevingrt.tripod.com</a>

06-18-2002, 12:22 AM	#16
ghostface Bat Boy Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 19	The Major League Scouting Notebook: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...sbn=188406499X Pitch types, some intangibles, hit charts, clutch #'s, etc. They also make a Minor League Scouting Notebook but that does contain less. Last edited by ghostface; 06-18-2002 at 12:24 AM.

06-18-2002, 02:53 AM	#18
rferry All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: DC Posts: 549	Craig Counsell - great in the clutch __________________ please excuse my grammar, i read baseball weekly in my high school english classes.

06-18-2002, 11:40 AM	#19
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	wow great stuff, Specs. Thanks for the info! The major league scouting book is the one book I didn't get this year. Rating the minor leaguers is much harder, so that's where my money went. Great book though...I have an old one sitting around somewhere. GH

06-18-2002, 04:10 PM	#20
alinkens All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CT Posts: 1,072	These ratings are very biased from person to person. I would think the best way is to leave them random and then let people change them as they need to. I do that now using Lahmans 4.5 Database. The only thing I would recommend is that anyone with a Team Captian title is given holds team together, ie John Franco.