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Old 10-30-2019, 04:46 PM   #461
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It's a mute point anyways. Joe Torre is saying that the runner was called out for interfering with the catch, not running out of the baseline (though, we shouldn't expect anything intelligent to come out of Torre's mouth).

Which makes it even more head scratching: the fielder, without question, clearly impeded the runner here.

This was 100% fielder obstruction.
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That is the entire point. He IS NOT supposed to be in fair territory, he is supposed to run in FOUL territory in the running land marked by the white lines.
The base is in fair territory. He has to be in fair territory at some point

Anyway. Yes, he probably should have been called out. He likely wouldn't have been called out if he'd ran in the running lane. Having right handed batters start in fair ground, run in foul ground and step on the base in fair ground is dumb and the base should extend into foul ground.
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Old 10-30-2019, 04:53 PM   #463
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It's a mute point anyways. Joe Torre is saying that the runner was called out for interfering with the catch, not running out of the baseline (though, we shouldn't expect anything intelligent to come out of Torre's mouth).

Which makes it even more head scratching: the fielder, without question, clearly impeded the runner here.

This was 100% fielder obstruction.
Read the rule

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...&postcount=454

He interfered with the fielder making the catch and he was not exiting the running lane. That's interference. To the letter of the poorly constructed rule.
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Old 10-30-2019, 04:56 PM   #464
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To me the rule doesn't even apply because he was no longer on the "last half of the distance", his left foot is already touching first base when the ball gets there!
This ^

To me, it doesn't matter that he wasn't in the lane prior to the him and the ball arriving. What matters is, at the point where he's allowed to exit the lane to reach the bag, that's when the contact/conflict occurred. IOW, where he's running during the time the pitcher is going after the ball, grabbing it, turning and throwing it is of no consequence. It's where Turner was when the he, the ball, and the glove met. At that point, he was where he was allowed to be... Whether that's specifically addressed in the rule, I dunno. But common sense ought to have taken over.

Not sure if this was on the Fox postgame or FS1 extended postgame (same crew did both), but they showed a clip of nearly the same play from last year's World Series, Cody Bellinger in the Turner role. Nearly identical. No interference call...

I guess what this comes down to is when you have a stupid rule that is poorly drafted, open to interpretation and the umpire's judgement, and is not replay-reviewable, you're kind of asking for inconsistency at best (Bellinger non-call vs Turner call), big-time controversy at worst (which was somewhat mitigated in this case by Rendon's subsequent dinger).
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This ^

To me, it doesn't matter that he wasn't in the lane prior to the him and the ball arriving. What matters is, at the point where he's allowed to exit the lane to reach the bag, that's when the contact/conflict occurred. IOW, where he's running during the time the pitcher is going after the ball, grabbing it, turning and throwing it is of no consequence. It's where Turner was when the he, the ball, and the glove met. At that point, he was where he was allowed to be... Whether that's specifically addressed in the rule, I dunno. But common sense ought to have taken over.
The way the rule is written, it matters. Makes all the difference, actually.


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I guess what this comes down to is when you have a stupid rule that is poorly drafted, open to interpretation and the umpire's judgement, and is not replay-reviewable, you're kind of asking for inconsistency at best (Bellinger non-call vs Turner call), big-time controversy at worst (which was somewhat mitigated in this case by Rendon's subsequent dinger).
Mostly agreed
Minus the subjectivity
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Old 10-30-2019, 06:35 PM   #466
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:12 PM   #467
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Not particularly surprised. I was never convinced that Hamilton was genuine as a reclamation project. Probably my problem.

Right below is the genuine article.

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Curious how game 7 does on TV tonight. So far this series has done terribly on TV ratings.
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That is the entire point. He IS NOT supposed to be in fair territory, he is supposed to run in FOUL territory in the running land marked by the white lines.
I agree. His bum has no business being there. I could have worded it more clearly.
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Thru three innings, Grienke has brought his A+ game to Game Seven: throwing strikes, getting outs. Scherzer? Not so much. Bobbing and weaving, and struggling with command. With his pitch count, he'll be lucky to see the 6th inning. We'll see...
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Is there a place that gives you a comparison of the ball/strike calls of the umpire and what the computer says?
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I have been, and always will be, a fan of leaving pitchers in the game if they are dominating. Why did the Astros take Grienke out of the game with only 80 pitches thrown (and two hits allowed)? Did I miss word of an injury?

The guy on the mound is mowing them down. The guy in the bullpen, who knows how he is tonight? Go with the hot hand (until it falls off).
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Is there a place that gives you a comparison of the ball/strike calls of the umpire and what the computer says?
Not completely what you're looking for, but: MLB Umpires Missed 34,294 Ball-Strike Calls in 2018.
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I have been, and always will be, a fan of leaving pitchers in the game if they are dominating. Why did the Astros take Grienke out of the game with only 80 pitches thrown (and two hits allowed)? Did I miss word of an injury?

The guy on the mound is mowing them down. The guy in the bullpen, who knows how he is tonight? Go with the hot hand (until it falls off).
I truly believe all the 2nd guessing Monday QB'ing playoff managers have to go thru turns them all into overthinkers. If every move was as obvious as they make it out to be, we'd all be getting an MLB salary right now. It's one of my turnoffs about baseball. All the know-it-alls.
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It's one of my turnoffs about baseball. All the know-it-alls.
Well, I'm not a know-it-all by any means. Sure, Grienke could have thrown that gopher ball, too. My preference, though, is to take a chance on extending a guy who is throwing well versus bringing another guy in who may or may not be ready and able. Especially when the guy on the mound is dominating and has thrown only 80 pitches.
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