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Old 10-29-2019, 11:43 PM   #441
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BTW, if I'm the Astros, at this point I'm petitioning to move game 7 to DC.
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Greinke opposite Scherzer in Game 7 makes me feel queasy.
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Dumb rule.

Robo umps and safety bags
How on earth is any foreseeable robo-ump going to make an interference call?
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No one talking about Verlander being 0-5 in World Series competition with an era of almost 6.00?
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No one talking about Verlander being 0-5 in World Series competition with an era of almost 6.00?
Tim Kurkijan(?) said last night he is the 1st to lose 3 potential series clinching starts in one post season.
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No one talking about Verlander being 0-5 in World Series competition with an era of almost 6.00?
What a bum! He thinks he can get into the Hall of Fame with a line like *that*??

You're laughing now, but you just know that for the fourth and fifth year after his retirement we will hear NOTHING ELSE about him.
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How on earth is any foreseeable robo-ump going to make an interference call?
It's not

No knowledgeable person is suggesting replacing human umps with robot umps. Just supplementing then
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Choking Dog Astros (like in the Jetsons!)

The big picture is the Astros had a 2-1 lead and began to choke like the running dogs they are!

First, Verlander gives up two homers to lose the lead;

Then Peacock makes a complete choking dog throw to first but is bailed out by the umps (whatever you think of the call, it bailed out a horrendous throw)

Finally, Harris gives up the dinger to Rendon to put the game away.

No way Houston wins tonight. They will find a way to lose, no matter what.
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Venn diagram: people who loved Martinez's outburst last night and people who get almost that worked up when a guy watches his homerun too long.
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Venn diagram: people who loved Martinez's outburst last night and people who get almost that worked up when a guy watches his homerun too long.
Can we get the Acuna group tossed from the game, too?
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So what do you guys think about that call on Turner?
By rule, he was clearly safe. I'm not sure why they couldn't figure that out.
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By rule, he was clearly safe. I'm not sure why they couldn't figure that out.
Not sure where you get that. The rule says the runner is to stay on the foul side of the first base line for the last 30 feet. The only exception is to get out of the way of a fielder who is fielding a batted ball. He was clearly on the fair territory side of the line. I could see an umpire deciding not to apply that part of the rule, since the throw was coming from farther into the infield, but by the letter of the rule, he is out.
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By rule, he was clearly safe. I'm not sure why they couldn't figure that out.
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Not sure where you get that. The rule says the runner is to stay on the foul side of the first base line for the last 30 feet. The only exception is to get out of the way of a fielder who is fielding a batted ball. He was clearly on the fair territory side of the line. I could see an umpire deciding not to apply that part of the rule, since the throw was coming from farther into the infield, but by the letter of the rule, he is out.
Well...

I don't think it's clear either way. He was probably correctly out, but...

Here's the rule
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In running the last half of the distance from home base to
first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he
runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside
(to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment
in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at
first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he
may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or
inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder
attempting to field a batted ball;

Comment: The lines marking the three-foot
lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to
have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first
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*http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/0/8/0/2...ball_Rules.pdf

The only exception is not to avoid a fielder fielding a ball in the running lane. He's also allowed to step out of the running lane (in the immediate vicinity of first base) to touch the base. Since he was close enough to first base to contact the first baseman, I think we can say he was in the immediate vicinity.

He was probably allowed to be there, but, since he didn't *exit* the running lane then perhaps the rule doesn't apply.

Anyway, this video is interesting - and informative.

The running lane was put in foul territory when the first base bag was, partially, *in foul territory*. The bag was moved into fair territory, but the rule never changed which leads to an awkward situation at first base.

The obvious solution is to make a safety base where the runner steps on the base in foul ground and the fielder touches the part in fair ground.
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Not sure where you get that. The rule says the runner is to stay on the foul side of the first base line for the last 30 feet. The only exception is to get out of the way of a fielder who is fielding a batted ball. He was clearly on the fair territory side of the line. I could see an umpire deciding not to apply that part of the rule, since the throw was coming from farther into the infield, but by the letter of the rule, he is out.
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The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the threefoot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
He exited the 3foot lane by stride in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base. To me, that is pretty clear that the correct call was 'safe'.
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He exited the 3foot lane by stride in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base. To me, that is pretty clear that the correct call was 'safe'.
He was never in the 3-foot running lane. He was to the left of the line the entire time. As Torre explained, if he is running in the lane, his angle as he approaches the bag is different.
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Well...

I don't think it's clear either way. He was probably correctly out, but...

Here's the rule

*http://mlb.mlb.com/documents/0/8/0/2...ball_Rules.pdf

The only exception is not to avoid a fielder fielding a ball in the running lane. He's also allowed to step out of the running lane (in the immediate vicinity of first base) to touch the base. Since he was close enough to first base to contact the first baseman, I think we can say he was in the immediate vicinity.

He was probably allowed to be there, but, since he didn't *exit* the running lane then perhaps the rule doesn't apply.

Anyway, this video is interesting - and informative.

The running lane was put in foul territory when the first base bag was, partially, *in foul territory*. The bag was moved into fair territory, but the rule never changed which leads to an awkward situation at first base.

The obvious solution is to make a safety base where the runner steps on the base in foul ground and the fielder touches the part in fair ground.
I know I have seen the wider first base bags before, but don't remember where.

(Great Tech Talk link, also. Always love those segments during Reds games.
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He was never in the 3-foot running lane. He was to the left of the line the entire time. As Torre explained, if he is running in the lane, his angle as he approaches the bag is different.
This. Turner's bum is square in fair territory all the way and up to the bag. He does not enter fair territory for the sake of touching first base. He is in fair territory for 90 feet from home to first. Watch the video, people. Only Angel Hernandez is allowed to watch video and STILL blow the call.
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To me the rule doesn't even apply because he was no longer on the "last half of the distance", his left foot is already touching first base when the ball gets there!

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This. Turner's bum is square in fair territory all the way and up to the bag. He does not enter fair territory for the sake of touching first base. He is in fair territory for 90 feet from home to first. Watch the video, people. Only Angel Hernandez is allowed to watch video and STILL blow the call.
That is the entire point. He IS NOT supposed to be in fair territory, he is supposed to run in FOUL territory in the running land marked by the white lines.
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