Perfect team not using rotation properly - Page 3

Markus Heinsohn · 11-19-2018, 10:51 AM

We'll continue to investigate. But to be honest, I am pretty clueless right now.

clashcity · 11-19-2018, 04:48 PM

Starting a brand new season with everyone fresh. AI setting set up so that I am handling the pitchers, 5 man rotation with strict order. And I made sure to hit Submit Team before game 1 and haven't touched it since.

Here's what I've seen through the first 10 games of the season...

Day 1 SP#1
Day 2 SP#2
Day 3 SP#3
Day 4 SP#4
Day 5 SP#5
Day 6 SP#1
Day 7 Off
Day 8 SP#2
Day 9 SP#1
Day 10 SP #3
Day 11 SP #2
Day 12 SP#3 Scheduled to pitch with status at 46%

Screen shot of my staff showing the number of starts and all that...

Link to ScreenShot

clashcity · 11-19-2018, 06:09 PM

Three more games played at strict order without any additional changes and my #1 SP has already started 4 games and my #5 just 1...

Clavette · 11-19-2018, 07:41 PM

My number one starter has started 6 times in 16 games. Set to my control and strict w/ occasionally highest rested

Clavette · 11-19-2018, 07:44 PM

I also had an issue in the playoffs where I had 2 pitchers in my rotation (#1, #2) both at 100% and I set my 7 day lineup to make sure #1 mr Syndergaard got the start. Submitted lineup and everything. Game started my #2

mitchkenn · 11-19-2018, 08:13 PM

i've had mine set to strict 5 man rotation and it hasn't varied. weird things going on to be certain.

drhay53 · 11-19-2018, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

OK guys, let's try this in a systematic way.

First question, do you have the AI handling the pitching staff or not (please check the AI settings in the Profile & Settings tab of the PT Home Screen)?

Lineups & Depth Charts, Pitching Staff, and Active roster moves are all managed by me.

ecd1973 · 11-19-2018, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clashcity

Starting a brand new season with everyone fresh. AI setting set up so that I am handling the pitchers, 5 man rotation with strict order. And I made sure to hit Submit Team before game 1 and haven't touched it since.

Here's what I've seen through the first 10 games of the season...

Day 1 SP#1
Day 2 SP#2
Day 3 SP#3
Day 4 SP#4
Day 5 SP#5
Day 6 SP#1
Day 7 Off
Day 8 SP#2
Day 9 SP#1
Day 10 SP #3
Day 11 SP #2
Day 12 SP#3 Scheduled to pitch with status at 46%

Screen shot of my staff showing the number of starts and all that...

Link to ScreenShot

Same here. My #5 starter hasn't pitched in 10 days. My #1 pitches every three days and is at 0%. I guess it is something specific in my team settings, maybe a setting behind the scenes that is hidden for PT?

I just took control of staff, cleared staff and bullpen, and re set everything up with strict, occasional highest rested. It looks to me like the "occasional highest rested" code is ignoring the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation for some reason. I'll check in the morning to see what happens over the next few games.

I should also say I left OOTP running all day and downloaded the new league file a few times during the day whenever I was able to check. Not sure if closing OOTP vs leaving it open has anything to do with it.

mwb6 · 11-19-2018, 10:43 PM

season 4 my rotation is working fine so far - no issues as in season 2 and 3. However, I do notice that the 7 day lineups are occasionally not cleared after use even though I have that option select.

Orcin · 11-19-2018, 11:00 PM

I noticed that my rotation did not advance once using strict order. I had the game open at the time. I changed to the next starter so I am not sure if it would have corrected itself.

clashcity · 11-20-2018, 12:38 AM

OK, so the month of April is in the books and here are my starters for the month using a strict 5 man rotation with STRICT ORDER selected. Everything is set to be controlled by me and I hit 'Submit Team' before game 1 of the season and then never touched it.

Day 1 SP#1
Day 2 SP#2
Day 3 SP#3
Day 4 SP#4
Day 5 SP#5

Day 6 SP#1
Day 7 Off
Day 8 SP#2
Day 9 SP#1
Day 10 SP #3
Day 11 SP #2

Day 12 SP#4
Day 13 SP#3
Day 14 SP#1
Day 15 SP#5
Day 16 SP#2

Day 17 SP#4
Day 18 SP#1
Day 19 SP#3
Day 20 SP#2
Day 21 SP#5

Day 22 SP#3
Day 23 SP#1
Day 24 SP#4
Day 25 SP#3
Day 26 SP#2

Day 27 SP#4
Day 28 Off

At the end of the month Starters 1-3 all have 6 starts, Starter 4 has 5 starts and Starter 5 has just 3 starts.

For what it's worth, I have another team set up in a different league using a strict rotation that seems to be working just fine...

Markus Heinsohn · 11-20-2018, 04:04 AM

OK, I think I now know what might be happening. Looks like the server is re-importing the team export sometimes, without it being new, which changes the "next starter" and hence screws things up.

Chris is on vacation for a couple of days, we will fix this once he is back. So for now I suggest not using the strict mode.

krazifan · 11-21-2018, 01:54 PM

I believe in the Perfect Team settings there is a checkbox to Automatically Submit Team. When checked this will submit your team 1 minute before simulation. So if you haven't adjusted, you are setting a tired pitcher most of the time. Uncheck the box and see if it fixes the issue. I just did and we'll see how it goes.

clashcity · 11-21-2018, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazifan

I believe in the Perfect Team settings there is a checkbox to Automatically Submit Team. When checked this will submit your team 1 minute before simulation. So if you haven't adjusted, you are setting a tired pitcher most of the time. Uncheck the box and see if it fixes the issue. I just did and we'll see how it goes.

Great point! Thanks. I just did the same...

Clavette · 11-23-2018, 12:43 PM

I think I solved my problem and it had to do with using the 7 day lineups in the playoffs. I forgot to disable using them and my #1 pitcher was a part of that

clashcity · 11-23-2018, 12:45 PM

Looks like unchecking 'Automatically Submit Team' fixed it for me...

ecd1973 · 11-23-2018, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clashcity

Looks like unchecking 'Automatically Submit Team' fixed it for me...

I did the same and have gone two game weeks with rotation being used properly, so it appears that has something to do with it maybe...

Markus Heinsohn · 11-24-2018, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecd1973

I did the same and have gone two game weeks with rotation being used properly, so it appears that has something to do with it maybe...

OK, that may be it. This is the situation:
When you quit OOTP / PT while the server simulates, OOTP automatically submits the team. Now, let's say you have the #2 starter scheduled in that submit, the server simulates and the #2 starts and advances the next starter to #3. 30 minutes pass, the server imports the last submit, which remember, was from you when you had the #2 scheduled. That screws up the rotation then and may lead to out of sync starters / relievers starting.

We will try to work around this somehow, but if you use the strict rotation, it is now best to disable auto-submit (profile & settings tab, PT home screen).

NakedReporta · 11-24-2018, 08:05 PM

Have had same problem and it's pretty much taken me out of the pennant race and has me looking at a losing record. Can only have guys pitching every third day so many times while ignoring perfectly good guys in rotation. Sigh.

Bunktown Ballers · 11-27-2018, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

We have been unable to reproduce this so far... strict orders always need some micromanagement. When the rotation is changed, and the scheduled SP is tired, then a reliever will start. So, the rotation needs to be adjusted manually when inserting new pitchers.

Do you have the AI set to handle something in the profile & settings tab of the PT home screen?

It's happening when I don't micro manage my team. Say I have to leave for a while & Starters are set to strict order & 15-20 games are played my Starting Rotation will not be followed. I've even had my position players replaced in lineup with none being tired. It's never been more than 2 players changed out for. I have set lineups for RHP & LHP saved, but don't always follow the guidelines.I have the Utility1, Depth Charts, defensive replacements, Pinch Hitters, Pinch runners set as I want but but don't always follow as set.

11-19-2018, 10:51 AM	#41
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,739	We'll continue to investigate. But to be honest, I am pretty clueless right now. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

11-19-2018, 04:48 PM	#42
clashcity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 60	Starting a brand new season with everyone fresh. AI setting set up so that I am handling the pitchers, 5 man rotation with strict order. And I made sure to hit Submit Team before game 1 and haven't touched it since. Here's what I've seen through the first 10 games of the season... Day 1 SP#1 Day 2 SP#2 Day 3 SP#3 Day 4 SP#4 Day 5 SP#5 Day 6 SP#1 Day 7 Off Day 8 SP#2 Day 9 SP#1 Day 10 SP #3 Day 11 SP #2 Day 12 SP#3 Scheduled to pitch with status at 46% Screen shot of my staff showing the number of starts and all that... Link to ScreenShot Last edited by clashcity; 11-19-2018 at 04:52 PM.

11-19-2018, 08:13 PM	#46
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	i've had mine set to strict 5 man rotation and it hasn't varied. weird things going on to be certain. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

11-20-2018, 12:38 AM	#51
clashcity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 60	OK, so the month of April is in the books and here are my starters for the month using a strict 5 man rotation with STRICT ORDER selected. Everything is set to be controlled by me and I hit 'Submit Team' before game 1 of the season and then never touched it. Day 1 SP#1 Day 2 SP#2 Day 3 SP#3 Day 4 SP#4 Day 5 SP#5 Day 6 SP#1 Day 7 Off Day 8 SP#2 Day 9 SP#1 Day 10 SP #3 Day 11 SP #2 Day 12 SP#4 Day 13 SP#3 Day 14 SP#1 Day 15 SP#5 Day 16 SP#2 Day 17 SP#4 Day 18 SP#1 Day 19 SP#3 Day 20 SP#2 Day 21 SP#5 Day 22 SP#3 Day 23 SP#1 Day 24 SP#4 Day 25 SP#3 Day 26 SP#2 Day 27 SP#4 Day 28 Off At the end of the month Starters 1-3 all have 6 starts, Starter 4 has 5 starts and Starter 5 has just 3 starts. For what it's worth, I have another team set up in a different league using a strict rotation that seems to be working just fine... Last edited by clashcity; 11-20-2018 at 12:51 AM.

11-20-2018, 04:04 AM	#52
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,739	OK, I think I now know what might be happening. Looks like the server is re-importing the team export sometimes, without it being new, which changes the "next starter" and hence screws things up. Chris is on vacation for a couple of days, we will fix this once he is back. So for now I suggest not using the strict mode. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

11-19-2018, 06:09 PM	#43
clashcity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 60	Three more games played at strict order without any additional changes and my #1 SP has already started 4 games and my #5 just 1...

11-19-2018, 07:41 PM	#44
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	My number one starter has started 6 times in 16 games. Set to my control and strict w/ occasionally highest rested

11-19-2018, 07:44 PM	#45
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	I also had an issue in the playoffs where I had 2 pitchers in my rotation (#1, #2) both at 100% and I set my 7 day lineup to make sure #1 mr Syndergaard got the start. Submitted lineup and everything. Game started my #2

11-19-2018, 10:43 PM	#49
mwb6 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 76	season 4 my rotation is working fine so far - no issues as in season 2 and 3. However, I do notice that the 7 day lineups are occasionally not cleared after use even though I have that option select.

11-19-2018, 11:00 PM	#50
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	I noticed that my rotation did not advance once using strict order. I had the game open at the time. I changed to the next starter so I am not sure if it would have corrected itself.

11-21-2018, 01:54 PM	#53
krazifan Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 5	I believe in the Perfect Team settings there is a checkbox to Automatically Submit Team. When checked this will submit your team 1 minute before simulation. So if you haven't adjusted, you are setting a tired pitcher most of the time. Uncheck the box and see if it fixes the issue. I just did and we'll see how it goes.

11-23-2018, 12:43 PM	#55
Clavette Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Connecticut Posts: 371	I think I solved my problem and it had to do with using the 7 day lineups in the playoffs. I forgot to disable using them and my #1 pitcher was a part of that

11-23-2018, 12:45 PM	#56
clashcity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 60	Looks like unchecking 'Automatically Submit Team' fixed it for me...

11-24-2018, 08:05 PM	#59
NakedReporta Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: South Carolina Posts: 67	I'll try that Have had same problem and it's pretty much taken me out of the pennant race and has me looking at a losing record. Can only have guys pitching every third day so many times while ignoring perfectly good guys in rotation. Sigh.