Historically sim with ww2

[Jerry Helper]

So I’d like to do a sim where I play as manager of the Red Sox during Ted Williams career. I would do historical transactions, and only be able to tinker with lineups. I’d like to see if I could ever beat the Yankees and what the career of Williams would be like without ww2

However, I’m unsure about a part of this. If I do historical transactions, will that remove Williams for the 43-45 seasons? I know I could probably manually put him in, but if I did that the Sox would have a big advantage over competitors who have their best players at war.

Is there a way to historically sim the Sox during the career of Williams career that leaves the leagues intact during the 43-45 seasons?

[Leo_The_Lip]

Once players come in the game leaves them in.

[Leo_The_Lip]

Put another way, if you start in 1939, WW2 never happens.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

So I’d like to do a sim where I play as manager of the Red Sox during Ted Williams career. I would do historical transactions, and only be able to tinker with lineups. I’d like to see if I could ever beat the Yankees and what the career of Williams would be like without ww2

However, I’m unsure about a part of this. If I do historical transactions, will that remove Williams for the 43-45 seasons? I know I could probably manually put him in, but if I did that the Sox would have a big advantage over competitors who have their best players at war.

Is there a way to historically sim the Sox during the career of Williams career that leaves the leagues intact during the 43-45 seasons?

If you play with Neutralized Stats, he will have statistical input for all those war years that he missed, and thus he won't be rendered somewhat useless. If you play with Real Stats, he can get a bit useless until he gets some numbers to base his ratings on. Neutralized Stats fills in the gaps, while Real Stats leaves them as is.

EDIT: If using historical transactions, Williams will be sidelined for any seasons he missed due to the war, whether playing with Neutralized Stats or Real Stats.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Leo_The_Lip

Once players come in the game leaves them in.

I'm not so sure if this is the case in regards to what Jerry said he wants to do. One of the things on by default when you use real transactions is retire and miss seasons according to history. I'm thinking if Jerry wants to keep Ted around during the war years, the box for "players miss seasons according to history" may need to be unchecked. Otherwise, I think Ted will be present but unusable during the war years. If I remember right, 18 basically gives Williams a season long injury for a missed season.

Another thing that may need to be considered is what recalc to use. 1 might punish (make bad feature) Williams for the war years. 3 year might be less strict and result in a better what if.....

[Jerry Helper]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I'm not so sure if this is the case in regards to what Jerry said he wants to do. One of the things on by default when you use real transactions is retire and miss seasons according to history. I'm thinking if Jerry wants to keep Ted around during the war years, the box for "players miss seasons according to history" may need to be unchecked. Otherwise, I think Ted will be present but unusable during the war years. If I remember right, 18 basically gives Williams a season long injury for a missed season.

Another thing that may need to be considered is what recalc to use. 1 might punish (make bad feature) Williams for the war years. 3 year might be less strict and result in a better what if.....

Very helpful. Would it be smart to just uncheck the "players miss seasons according to history" at the end of the 1942 season?

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

If you play with Neutralized Stats, he will have statistical input for all those war years that he missed, and thus he won't be rendered somewhat useless. If you play with Real Stats, he can get a bit useless until he gets some numbers to base his ratings on. Neutralized Stats fills in the gaps, while Real Stats leaves them as is.

EDIT: If using historical transactions, Williams will be sidelined for any seasons he missed due to the war, whether playing with Neutralized Stats or Real Stats.

Yes I think the bold is true. I don't think even unchecking the miss seasons button can prevent this. My bad. This is something new and started with 17. With 16 you could play using real transactions and uncheck the miss seasons and the player would still be usable. Want to say forum member "TheHef" is someone that's posted about this extensively, as the changes have really effected the way he plays.

Also, I have bumped an old thread about 1901 outfielders. Please read that thread before starting a league using Neutralized stats.

[Jerry Helper]

Originally Posted by David Watts

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Yes I think the bold is true. I don't think even unchecking the miss seasons button can prevent this. My bad. This is something new and started with 17. With 16 you could play using real transactions and uncheck the miss seasons and the player would still be usable. Want to say forum member "TheHef" is someone that's posted about this extensively, as the changes have really effected the way he plays.

Also, I have bumped an old thread about 1901 outfielders. Please read that thread before starting a league using Neutralized stats.

Thanks for the help. Not really sure why they would take away the option to uncheck that

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Thanks for the help. Not really sure why they would take away the option to uncheck that

A lot of things have changed between OOTP16 and OOTP18, not necessarily all for the good IMHO.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Thanks for the help. Not really sure why they would take away the option to uncheck that

Alright, fired up 1942 with historical transactions and unchecked the box for "players miss seasons according to history." I simmed 1942 and forward to the 43 preseason. Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio are both listed as free agents. Williams hit .443 in 1942 with 60 home runs. I simmed forward to the 1943 preseason. Both Williams and DiMaggio are listed among the free agents, but their health status is fine. So, I signed on as the Red Sox manager and signed Ted Williams. I then fast simmed the 43 season. Williams hit .439 with 68 bombs and a .571 OBP. Joe DiMaggio remained a free agent for the entire season. I then simmed 1944. Williams remained on the Red Sox roster hitting .389 with 35 home runs and a .544 OBP. DiMaggio remained a free agent. 1945, Williams remained with Sox hitting .401 50 home runs, .539 obp. DiMaggio remained a free agent. By the pre season of 1946 DiMaggio is back with the Yankees just like he is supposed to be.


So it looks like with some work, you could do the war years with players on their rosters, but you would have to manually put them on their teams. A player that missed a season will be among the free agents.

[Jerry Helper]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Alright, fired up 1942 with historical transactions and unchecked the box for "players miss seasons according to history." I simmed 1942 and forward to the 43 preseason. Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio are both listed as free agents. Williams hit .443 in 1942 with 60 home runs. I simmed forward to the 1943 preseason. Both Williams and DiMaggio are listed among the free agents, but their health status is fine. So, I signed on as the Red Sox manager and signed Ted Williams. I then fast simmed the 43 season. Williams hit .439 with 68 bombs and a .571 OBP. Joe DiMaggio remained a free agent for the entire season. I then simmed 1944. Williams remained on the Red Sox roster hitting .389 with 35 home runs and a .544 OBP. DiMaggio remained a free agent. 1945, Williams remained with Sox hitting .401 50 home runs, .539 obp. DiMaggio remained a free agent. By the pre season of 1956 DiMaggio is back with the Yankees just like he is supposed to be.


So it looks like with some work, you could do the war years with players on their rosters, but you would have to manually put them on their teams. A player that missed a season will be among the free agents.

This was really helpful. Thanks so much, it’s made my Christmas Eve more enjoyable! I’ll post my results at some point!