Promotion/Relegation

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

Doesn`t Markus speak German btw?

Sure he does, but he's a busy man. Plus it'd be kind of an official request coming from him, which might have licensing implications etc.

I don't think that'd be the best way to do this. I really just want the info for my own records and db and to add whatever parts of it I can to the official leagues, perhaps eventually to make a mod with the top Euro leagues included. I guess if all went really well with that maybe Markus would let us add the other top Euro leagues into the game, idk, but we're a long ways off from even being able to consider that right now

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Hageneezz

I do speak Dutch and if you would i could sent the KNBSB your message in Dutch..

Ok cool, thanks.

I'll try to get something together for you in the next few days and will send you a PM when I have.

[moonlightmerc]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Ja, dat weet ik.

? Spreek je Nederlands Hoewel ik denk dat de meeste Nederlandse mensen begrijpen Engels Ik dacht dat het een goed idee zou kunnen zijn om iemand die Nederlands spreekt direct een email sturen naar de KNBSB en de teams zelf te krijgen en te zien of het mogelijk is om betere informatie, roosters krijgen met dob's, lengte, gewicht enz. voor de lagere competities en zelfs sommige van de HH teams die dit niet direct beschikbaar hebben.

Geen van de lagere divisies zou het te maken in het spel dit jaar en misschien wel nooit, behalve in een mod, idk. Toch zou ik graag betere gegevens voor mijn eigen persoonlijke db en het zou uiteindelijk te maken in het spel op een of andere manier.

Als u of iemand die Nederlands, Frans, Duits spreekt, Tsjechisch of Spaans zou bereid zijn om een aantal e-mails voor mij stuur dan stuur me een PM en ik zal je de tekst te versturen en adressen op te sturen naar. Misschien kunnen we een aantal goede informatie over alle top Europese competities deze manier krijgen!

You can use Google Translate.

[Hageneezz]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Sure he does, but he's a busy man. Plus it'd be kind of an official request coming from him, which might have licensing implications etc.

I don't think that'd be the best way to do this. I really just want the info for my own records and db and to add whatever parts of it I can the the official leagues and perhaps eventually to make a mod with the top Euro Leagues included.

I understand completely..Good luck to you

[Hageneezz]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Ok cool, thanks.

I'll try to get something together for you in the next few days and will send you a PM when I have.

Fine, look forward to the PM

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by moonlightmerc

You can use Google Translate.

Google translate is good for understanding data in another language but not really so good for communicating with another human being.

[moonlightmerc]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Google translate is good for understanding data in another language but not really so good for communicating with another human being.

Your right I guess it never really occurred to me. I use it at work sending form letters once in awhile.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yes, something along those lines would work.

Go for it!

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Ike348

The issue is that AI teams don't know how to avoid last place.

There's that, and there's also the fact that the finances of a promotion/relegation system are quite different from that of the closed, monopoly league structure typical of North American sports leagues.

[struggles_mightily]

Originally Posted by themonk

Unfortunately, this is no longer true.

"Until 2010, the IBL featured a league format that demoted and relegated the last place finisher to the minor leagues (Series A2), while the Series A2 champion would be promoted into the IBL. However, in late 2009 FIBS approved the decision to eliminate the promotion and relegation system starting with the 2010 season and thus will apply a fixed team franchise format similar to that found in Major League Baseball." -- Wikipedia

But I also wish that promotion/relegation will be a feature available in OOTP 15...

Oh. Tits. Well, thanks for correcting me, that's what I get for not researchin before postin.

[nutt]

Not sure if this has been touched upon, but lowering the tiered levels of promotion/relegation also sees a change in modifiers for the teams.

I've seen the last place team get relegated to 2nd Division and then win 130 games in a 154 game season, and the team that was promoted barely win 50 at the first division level.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by nutt

Not sure if this has been touched upon, but lowering the tiered levels of promotion/relegation also sees a change in modifiers for the teams.

I've seen the last place team get relegated to 2nd Division and then win 130 games in a 154 game season, and the team that was promoted barely win 50 at the first division level.

That's almost exactly what can happen in baseball leagues (and other sports too though not usually soccer) that have promotion/relegation irl.

[dave1927p]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well that does indeed make sense. OK, maybe I can figure something out for an OOTP 15 update during the summer

Plus it kinda sucks doing a manual promotion/relegation simply because you can't simulate multiple seasons. It just makes it easier for the user if implemented as an option.

Also would be cool to see a clause in player contracts where they are released if the team is demoted.

[Nugget699]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

How about that if the promotion/relegation box is checked in league setup, then all of the cellar teams automatically shift to win now mode after halfway through the season? That strikes me as an easy and simple solution.

That is a great solution without having to spend countless hours coding a feature that will get minimal use.

[Fyrestorm3]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

How about that if the promotion/relegation box is checked in league setup, then all of the cellar teams automatically shift to win now mode after halfway through the season? That strikes me as an easy and simple solution.

Yeah, gotta throw in my support for this, as well. Brilliantly easy fix to the AI without having to completely re-code it.

[Nugget699]

Maybe code it so any teams that fall into the lower 30-35% of the Standings automatically go to Win Now?

We could also focus on Owner's Attributes as to whether the team fights or accepts it's fate. For instance, a team that is so far behind all the others and will almost certainly be relegated may well trade away it's star players to cut the wage bill down so they can stay financially viable for the following season when revenue will drop.

[deanemj]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well that does indeed make sense. OK, maybe I can figure something out for an OOTP 15 update during the summer

Please, please, please, please, please X500,000,000 do this. I'll buy you that sandwich you were on about.

I for one have been asking for this feature for at least three years now and I've seen many other users requesting it as well. I desperately want to be able to run a custom fantasy league structure using automatic promotion and relegation.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by deanemj

Please, please, please, please, please X500,000,000 do this. I'll buy you that sandwich you were on about.

I for one have been asking for this feature for at least three years now and I've seen many other users requesting it as well. I desperately want to be able to run a custom fantasy league structure using automatic promotion and relegation.

I don't think you're ever going to see automatic p/r. But, as Markus as said, you can do p/r manually with the league editing tools. But if the teams behave like they're in p/r league you could have a p/r league that worked - so long as you didn't mind spending five minutes of your time editing after every season.

Which seems fair, because otherwise Markus has to rewrite a ton of code, especially financial code. With my idea, he doesn't, and you still effectively get what you want.

[deanemj]

That's exactly what I don't want to have to deal with, though. I want it to be automatic so I don't have to deal with the frustration of it every season. It's a nightmare trying to do it manually.

[chucksabr]

I am doing a promotion/relegation dynasty league right now and I can tell you that in terms of manual changes after the season, it really isn't time-consuming. I would say even if you have four divisions, it wouldn't take much more than five minutes to make the changes, if that.

What it does do, though, is that when you go back to your standings, if you have not gotten to spring training yet and it still shows last year's standings, it will show the teams in their new divisions, so the standings will look wrong. So, make sure you run your almanac before you promote and relegate.