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JeffR · 10-29-2015, 01:34 AM

This thread is for reporting any missing/erroneous player, staff, team, league, or other data in the game; it's a little easier to keep track of these issues when they're not part of the main bug thread.

We're happy to collect and correct any factual errors in the data, but subjective ratings are ultimately the call of our research team. You're welcome to mention any ratings you disagree with, but we may or may not decide to change them.

G-Nuke · 10-30-2015, 07:42 PM

Brendan Galagher's (MTL) 2013-2014 historical stats are incorrectly logged as 2012-2013 (creating a 1 year gap in his history).

ALL WHA playoff stats for all players are logged as "Stanley cup playoffs"

Breich · 10-31-2015, 12:26 PM

I'll put csv stuff here since it makes a little more sense:

The semicolon delimited files + salary changes are great. Still looking for a dump of the historical stats table. Right now, there's not even a year dumped with the current stats table (nor anywhere), so even if I wanted to build my own historical tables I'd have to do some serious jerry-rigging to the effect of having the user tell the system when there's a new season.

Also, the player_ratings table has some hidden ratings dumped. In example, where the game UI simply shows 'Shooting', player_ratings dumps shootingAccuracy and shootingRange. Can we get the actual game-displayed ratings dumped? Things like offensiveRead, screening, acceleration, agility, balance etc are all not shown in game but are also in the player_ratings table (not an exhaustive list). While I like seeing some of the hidden ratings that go into the actual game-displayed ratings I would hate to have the inner workings of the engine somewhat visible.

Can average time on ice get dumped as well?

Breich · 10-31-2015, 01:53 PM

Also, goalie_stats isn't dumping anything other than valid player, team, and franchise IDs. Zeroes for all stats (and we're two months into the regular season).

player_skater_stats is also dumping zeroes.

Additionally goalie_stats isn't dumping a Tie column (for leagues that play with ties only). There's simply wins, losses, and OT.

tarashnat · 11-01-2015, 08:26 PM

KHL historical standings have Overtime Wins and Overtime Losses incorrect and or missing. 2013-2014 season had each team play 54 games. Also, other team W/L data incorrect.

Game may need to be updated to show separate OW/OL and SW/SL (shootout) for league tables that track this data separately and award a different amount of points for each.

djskek · 11-04-2015, 04:45 PM

Some rules still not implemented. Germany / DEL

Min. 3 german players (must be eligible to play for national team) U24 (23 years or younger) in roster and max. 120 DEL Games (If he played more than 120 games, then he is no longer covered by this regulation.). These 3 players must have a Förderlizenz.

Förderlizenz:

max. 6 Förderlizenz player in roster / can be awarded., max. 4 dressed
max. 120 DEL Games

Förderlizenz Players must at least to play 20 games in the DEL2, only then he can play in the playoffs.
If he plays in the Playoffs DEL, he can not play in the playoffs / playdowns of DEL2. (for players)
Goalies: Goalies must have played 300 minutes in DEL2.

max. 32 player in rooster, but U19 Player not fall under the limit. (No license is calculated)

Active Roster: 32 (not 23) In the first season, a very big problem. If a large team is available with many players over 23 years, you get big trouble. Many players have been released.

Dressed: 21 (not 20)

injury reserve counter: does not exist in Germany

Minor Option: player 23 years old or younger, Goalies 25 years old or younger

Players who transfer within the DEL to another team, can return to old club in the same season.

Playoffs:

Playoff games are wrong.

Pre-Playoffs: is ok with best of 3

Playoffs: not ok, in the Game Best of 5 applied, but actually play best of 7

Playoff rules:

Lengh overtime: not 10, but 20 minutes is correct. (20 min, 15 min break, 20 min, 15 min break etc. until a goal is scored.

Further information:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...gues-info.html

tarashnat · 11-05-2015, 09:10 AM

Some KHL Draft picks are showing up as the Montreal Canadiens in player histories.

Example Eric Cernak. His pick (#14 2013/14) is blank in editor. Should be HC Slovan Bratislava.

In the KHL Draft Log, there are other entries missing. His is one of the missing ones for that year (2013/2014). I suspect the player histories would come up Canadiens for the draft as well. There is also a duplicate pick.

Breich · 11-06-2015, 04:10 PM

Problems with 'schedules' table:

'-' dumped instead of blank for home and away scores (I have to store as a char and convert each time...)
schedule has no primary key (gameId is reused for each league...)
preseason and regular season games (and, playoff games) aren't flagged anywhere in the table, forcing me to manually input league/playoff start dates...

JeffR · 11-09-2015, 02:54 AM

We'll have a look at the csv problems, but those are probably better placed in the bug and/or request threads, as appropriate - this thread is for database issues.

stevwatt12 · 11-10-2015, 10:37 PM

I started a new Anaheim Ducks historical season for 13/14 and a lot of things are off. The staff is missing and it seems they've been replaced with random made up people, All of the players contracts are wrong. Perry and Getzlaf are making 5.3 million each when it should be over 8 million each like in real life. The schedule is the 14/15 schedule. The Rosters are not correct either. This is pretty much the same with every team. Salaries are wrong and none of the staff is correct to the opening night rosters of the 13'14 season. I am very disappointed with this part of the game.

stevwatt12 · 11-11-2015, 01:47 AM

All of the player salaries in any recent historical mode and staff are completely randomly generated. In 14/15 ducks season kesler had a cap hit of 565k and was a 2.5 overall which makes no sense. John Gibson had a cap hit of 4.5 million and he should still be on an entry level deal.

JeffR · 11-11-2015, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevwatt12

All of the player salaries in any recent historical mode and staff are completely randomly generated. In 14/15 ducks season kesler had a cap hit of 565k and was a 2.5 overall which makes no sense. John Gibson had a cap hit of 4.5 million and he should still be on an entry level deal.

This is intentional, the historical rosters don't have historical salary data yet. While it's available for more recent years, it gets extremely difficult to find accurate salary numbers the farther back you go. Actual historical salaries would also conflict with the game function that sets financial values each year to a more historically-appropriate level - that smoothes out the changes that have occurred over time in the real NHL, since the abrupt shifts in salary levels (mostly upwards, but occasionally downwards) would be disruptive to gameplay. So, for the sake of both playability and research requirements, we won't be introducing real salaries into historical play for a while yet.

JeffR · 11-11-2015, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevwatt12

I started a new Anaheim Ducks historical season for 13/14 and a lot of things are off. The staff is missing and it seems they've been replaced with random made up people, All of the players contracts are wrong. Perry and Getzlaf are making 5.3 million each when it should be over 8 million each like in real life. The schedule is the 14/15 schedule. The Rosters are not correct either. This is pretty much the same with every team. Salaries are wrong and none of the staff is correct to the opening night rosters of the 13'14 season. I am very disappointed with this part of the game.

The staff in historical games is always fictional, aside from the players that retire and move into staff roles. It's going to be a big effort to get historical coaches and GM's into the game, so that'll be a project for another year. See my previous answer in regard to the salaries.

djskek · 11-26-2015, 09:38 AM

2.4.29

Germany / DEL

Dressed: 21 (not 20)

Minor Option: player 23 years old or younger, Goalies 25 years old or younger

Players who transfer within the DEL to another team, can return to old club in the same season.

Playoffs:

Playoff games are wrong.

Pre-Playoffs: is correct with best of 3

Playoffs: not correct, in the Game Best of 5 applied, but actually play best of 7 (Quarterfinals, semifinals and finals all best of 7)

Playoff rules:

Lengh overtime: not 10, but 20 minutes is correct. (20 min, 15 min break, 20 min, 15 min break etc. until a goal is scored.

Bug:

1 July rules edit

please refer

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-35.html

Leafs67 · 11-30-2015, 04:51 PM

Daniel Winnik is listed as a right handed RW, although he mostly plays LW, and is definitely left handed.

G-Nuke · 12-01-2015, 12:00 PM

Roster rules, particularly entry level deal rules and salary cap rules are not showing for games starting pre-2014. This is especially bad since we can't actually enable entry level deals...

G-Nuke · 12-01-2015, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Nuke

ALL WHA playoff stats for all players are logged as "Stanley cup playoffs"

You can add the AHL to the lists of leagues that apparently compete for the Stanley cup. Career AHLers with no NHL experience now have dozens of NHL playoff games played.

Any chance of this getting fixed soon? Can we have playoff stats actually associated to the leagues they play in?

G-Nuke · 12-13-2015, 09:52 PM

Another issue. The 1951 season is set to have 50 games in the season.. The 1950 season was correct at 70, and then suddenly the games dropped to 50 in '51.

G-Nuke · 12-13-2015, 10:46 PM

Clint Benedict has NHL experience from pre-1917. He played in the NHA those years but for the Senators, not the Habs.

Here are his actual stats: Clint Benedict NHL Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

G-Nuke · 12-26-2015, 01:36 PM

I've been playing a bunch of games in the 30s, 40s and 50s and I noticed that in addition to the coachability 0 issue, that the pass/shoot of all goalies is at 0. Aging, aggression and goalie stamina is also a bit spotty. I've put this file together to address these issues deriving ratings from real-life statistics. It includes all goalies 1917-2012. I am very confident of ratings for any goalies who played prior to 2005 and have been plugging them in manually and testing results.

10-31-2015, 12:26 PM	#3
Breich Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 29	I'll put csv stuff here since it makes a little more sense: The semicolon delimited files + salary changes are great. Still looking for a dump of the historical stats table. Right now, there's not even a year dumped with the current stats table (nor anywhere), so even if I wanted to build my own historical tables I'd have to do some serious jerry-rigging to the effect of having the user tell the system when there's a new season. Also, the player_ratings table has some hidden ratings dumped. In example, where the game UI simply shows 'Shooting', player_ratings dumps shootingAccuracy and shootingRange. Can we get the actual game-displayed ratings dumped? Things like offensiveRead, screening, acceleration, agility, balance etc are all not shown in game but are also in the player_ratings table (not an exhaustive list). While I like seeing some of the hidden ratings that go into the actual game-displayed ratings I would hate to have the inner workings of the engine somewhat visible. Can average time on ice get dumped as well? Last edited by Breich; 10-31-2015 at 12:34 PM.

10-31-2015, 01:53 PM	#4
Breich Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 29	Also, goalie_stats isn't dumping anything other than valid player, team, and franchise IDs. Zeroes for all stats (and we're two months into the regular season). player_skater_stats is also dumping zeroes. Additionally goalie_stats isn't dumping a Tie column (for leagues that play with ties only). There's simply wins, losses, and OT. Last edited by Breich; 10-31-2015 at 02:25 PM.

11-01-2015, 08:26 PM	#5
tarashnat Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New York City Posts: 381	KHL historical standings have Overtime Wins and Overtime Losses incorrect and or missing. 2013-2014 season had each team play 54 games. Also, other team W/L data incorrect. Game may need to be updated to show separate OW/OL and SW/SL (shootout) for league tables that track this data separately and award a different amount of points for each. Attached Images

11-04-2015, 04:45 PM	#6
djskek Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 97	Some rules still not implemented. Germany / DEL Min. 3 german players (must be eligible to play for national team) U24 (23 years or younger) in roster and max. 120 DEL Games (If he played more than 120 games, then he is no longer covered by this regulation.). These 3 players must have a Förderlizenz. Förderlizenz: max. 6 Förderlizenz player in roster / can be awarded., max. 4 dressed max. 120 DEL Games Förderlizenz Players must at least to play 20 games in the DEL2, only then he can play in the playoffs. If he plays in the Playoffs DEL, he can not play in the playoffs / playdowns of DEL2. (for players) Goalies: Goalies must have played 300 minutes in DEL2. max. 32 player in rooster, but U19 Player not fall under the limit. (No license is calculated) Active Roster: 32 (not 23) In the first season, a very big problem. If a large team is available with many players over 23 years, you get big trouble. Many players have been released. Dressed: 21 (not 20) injury reserve counter: does not exist in Germany Minor Option: player 23 years old or younger, Goalies 25 years old or younger Players who transfer within the DEL to another team, can return to old club in the same season. Playoffs: Playoff games are wrong. Pre-Playoffs: is ok with best of 3 Playoffs: not ok, in the Game Best of 5 applied, but actually play best of 7 Playoff rules: Lengh overtime: not 10, but 20 minutes is correct. (20 min, 15 min break, 20 min, 15 min break etc. until a goal is scored. Further information: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...gues-info.html Last edited by djskek; 11-04-2015 at 04:58 PM.

11-05-2015, 09:10 AM	#7
tarashnat Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New York City Posts: 381	KHL Draft picks Some KHL Draft picks are showing up as the Montreal Canadiens in player histories. Example Eric Cernak. His pick (#14 2013/14) is blank in editor. Should be HC Slovan Bratislava. In the KHL Draft Log, there are other entries missing. His is one of the missing ones for that year (2013/2014). I suspect the player histories would come up Canadiens for the draft as well. There is also a duplicate pick. Attached Images

10-29-2015, 01:34 AM	#1
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,890	Data Error Report Thead This thread is for reporting any missing/erroneous player, staff, team, league, or other data in the game; it's a little easier to keep track of these issues when they're not part of the main bug thread. We're happy to collect and correct any factual errors in the data, but subjective ratings are ultimately the call of our research team. You're welcome to mention any ratings you disagree with, but we may or may not decide to change them.

10-30-2015, 07:42 PM	#2
G-Nuke Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 198	Brendan Galagher's (MTL) 2013-2014 historical stats are incorrectly logged as 2012-2013 (creating a 1 year gap in his history). ALL WHA playoff stats for all players are logged as "Stanley cup playoffs"

11-09-2015, 02:54 AM	#9
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,890	We'll have a look at the csv problems, but those are probably better placed in the bug and/or request threads, as appropriate - this thread is for database issues.

11-10-2015, 10:37 PM	#10
stevwatt12 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 5	Histroical season issues I started a new Anaheim Ducks historical season for 13/14 and a lot of things are off. The staff is missing and it seems they've been replaced with random made up people, All of the players contracts are wrong. Perry and Getzlaf are making 5.3 million each when it should be over 8 million each like in real life. The schedule is the 14/15 schedule. The Rosters are not correct either. This is pretty much the same with every team. Salaries are wrong and none of the staff is correct to the opening night rosters of the 13'14 season. I am very disappointed with this part of the game.

11-11-2015, 01:47 AM	#11
stevwatt12 Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 5	All of the player salaries in any recent historical mode and staff are completely randomly generated. In 14/15 ducks season kesler had a cap hit of 565k and was a 2.5 overall which makes no sense. John Gibson had a cap hit of 4.5 million and he should still be on an entry level deal.

11-26-2015, 09:38 AM	#14
djskek Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 97	2.4.29 Germany / DEL Dressed: 21 (not 20) Minor Option: player 23 years old or younger, Goalies 25 years old or younger Players who transfer within the DEL to another team, can return to old club in the same season. Playoffs: Playoff games are wrong. Pre-Playoffs: is correct with best of 3 Playoffs: not correct, in the Game Best of 5 applied, but actually play best of 7 (Quarterfinals, semifinals and finals all best of 7) Playoff rules: Lengh overtime: not 10, but 20 minutes is correct. (20 min, 15 min break, 20 min, 15 min break etc. until a goal is scored. Bug: 1 July rules edit please refer http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...thread-35.html Last edited by djskek; 11-26-2015 at 09:43 AM.

11-30-2015, 04:51 PM	#15
Leafs67 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Canada Posts: 236	Daniel Winnik is listed as a right handed RW, although he mostly plays LW, and is definitely left handed.

12-01-2015, 12:00 PM	#16
G-Nuke Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 198	Roster rules, particularly entry level deal rules and salary cap rules are not showing for games starting pre-2014. This is especially bad since we can't actually enable entry level deals... Attached Images

12-13-2015, 09:52 PM	#18
G-Nuke Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 198	Another issue. The 1951 season is set to have 50 games in the season.. The 1950 season was correct at 70, and then suddenly the games dropped to 50 in '51. Last edited by G-Nuke; 12-14-2015 at 03:55 PM.

12-13-2015, 10:46 PM	#19
G-Nuke Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 198	Clint Benedict has NHL experience from pre-1917. He played in the NHA those years but for the Senators, not the Habs. Here are his actual stats: Clint Benedict NHL Statistics \| Hockey-Reference.com Attached Images Last edited by G-Nuke; 02-20-2016 at 02:12 AM.