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07-12-2016, 10:33 AM | #1 |
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Save Online League as Quick Start Exploit
The developers have decided to ignore my bug thread and don't allow you to email them directly so I'm posting here.
If you're interested in cheating in an OOTP17 online league simply save your online league as a quickstart and create a new game off that quick start as a commissioner. You'll have the option to sim games into the future, and view true ratings of all players. This exploit has ruined a really critical element of our league. We may disband because of it. Last edited by diehardsim; 07-12-2016 at 11:28 AM. |
07-12-2016, 10:49 AM | #2 |
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I doubt they are ignoring your post seeing as you posted the "bug" on a Saturday and they deserve some off time as well....plus I believe they are traveling or on vacation for the next week or two.....
But this sounds more like an issue with the people in your league as opposed to a "bug". |
07-12-2016, 11:27 AM | #3 | |
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07-12-2016, 12:48 PM | #5 | |
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07-12-2016, 12:50 PM | #6 |
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Then again the problem lies with the people using a cheat to win.....
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07-12-2016, 12:59 PM | #7 | |
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He's identified a problem, and he's asking the developers to address it. The way to fix an exploit is not to say "don't use the exploit," but rather, fixing the exploit. That's what we're here to do. |
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07-12-2016, 01:17 PM | #8 |
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Who cares about tone. Anyways this is a critical bug and one that should have remained on the bug forum since now you have highlighted it and have made it even worse. I don't believe for a second that the dev team ignores that forum.
This does make me incredibly uncomfortable as a commish, but hopefully it will get sorted out.
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07-12-2016, 01:22 PM | #9 | |
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If it can be fixed it should be, but.......cheating is the responsibility of those who choose it. That's not a supposition, it's an opinion backed with simple facts.
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07-12-2016, 02:00 PM | #10 | |
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That being said, I agree that as a commish of an online league it would make me worried that people are cheating to win, and unfortunately that does seem to happen a lot in all genres of games, not just OOTP. You and I both know that Markus and crew do work hard to make OOTP a great game and I have no doubts they will look into this and if they can fix it, they will. |
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07-12-2016, 02:43 PM | #11 | |
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07-12-2016, 03:31 PM | #12 | |
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Hopefully we will get a fix shortly.
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07-12-2016, 04:16 PM | #13 |
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Does this mean I can't use my hex editor anymore?
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07-13-2016, 08:37 AM | #14 |
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Quickstarting is only a problem for leagues that make scouting useful. In a no-scout league with 1-20 or 1-100 ratings, it's fairly useless.
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07-13-2016, 10:15 AM | #15 |
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I wonder how hard it would be to code a "kill switch" of sorts that would permanently disable the ability to see or change ratings in the editor. That would solve almost every instance of cheating.
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07-13-2016, 01:18 PM | #16 |
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07-13-2016, 01:20 PM | #17 |
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The only solution is to disallow the ability to clone an online league as a quick start. I can't possibly see how this would be difficult given the game's tremendous flexibility.
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07-13-2016, 02:05 PM | #18 |
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Actually they do allow you to PM or email them (Markus or Matt), simple as clicking their name and selecting the option in the drop down menu. I'm sure they aren't aware and when made so they will look at it asap. They sure as hell aren't ignoring your post, they just haven't seen it.
If I found a cheat/exploit such as this I would have hesitated to even post it in the bugs forum much less here. Posting here because you are mad isn't going to get if fixed any quicker. It will just open up a can of worms for any would be cheater that didn't already know. Unfortunately the horse can't be put back in the barn. I don't nor ever will play online, simply can't wast my time wondering about who is doing what, but that's just me. The vast majority of players are honest and want a good game but it only takes one bad seed.. If I were you, or any online player that has read this thread, I'd be PMing Markus and Matt... |
07-18-2016, 02:41 AM | #19 | |
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The OOTP bug forums are full of unanswered of unresolved issues. I need the issue reviewed and resolved. I'm certain that the vocal majority on these boards is solo game focused and only find this post out of line because they lack perspective. |
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07-18-2016, 06:52 AM | #20 | |
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If I can use the editor, and I see a defender is 85-80-40, I can give him 200 experience at a position and know his filled out defensive positional value. Let's say I guess it's 70, but with the editor I can confirm it's 75. Now I know he can play CF, and then I can trade for him whereas the other guy might think he's limited to LF. In a 1-10 league, two players might be 7-7-7. If I know one player is 79-79-79, and another is 71-71-71, then there's a world of difference between the two. The first guy is a front of the rotation calibre player, whereas the second guy is closer to a mid rotation starter. Again, just being able to see the difference gives me a massive competitive advantage. I can see if a player is boosting or declining if he goes from 79-75, whereas in the 7-7-7 I won't see a boost or decline until he drops below 70 or goes above 79. There are so many ways to abuse this and it's a huge problem for online leagues. Last edited by ThePretender; 07-18-2016 at 06:57 AM. |
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