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Old 10-14-2019, 10:18 AM   #1
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Question Strategy Help

Hi,

Having just been promoted to B227 through sheer blind luck, I'd really like to start playing the game in earnest, and as such need to decide on a strategy and then rebuild my team accordingly.

The two strategies that appeal the most are Defensive, where I guess the aim is to restrict the oppositions chances to score runs, and Sabermetrics, where it's about getting on base.

Which of the general strategy templates suit each approach, and should I be setting any player specific strategies?

For both strategies, what are the important batting and pitching attributes? What positions should the roster contain? What's the ideal pitcher rotation, and how should the bullpen be set up?

I also believe that you can adjust your ballpark to suit the type of strategy, so any advice on this would also be greatly appreciated.

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Old 10-14-2019, 11:19 AM   #2
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Defense will take you a long way. Plus, it's a lot of fun. At Bronze, simply look at the DEF and Error ratings. Prioritize SS and CF defense. Don't worry too much about those guys hitting.

Adjust park factor, and soon. If you are going small ball, pull back the fences. You have to do this soon as park factors become locked early in the season.
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defense will take you a long way. Plus, it's a lot of fun. At bronze, simply look at the def and error ratings. Prioritize ss and cf defense. Don't worry too much about those guys hitting.

Adjust park factor, and soon. If you are going small ball, pull back the fences. You have to do this soon as park factors become locked early in the season.
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Old 10-14-2019, 12:09 PM   #4
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Range is much more important than error rating for defense. I agree a defensive approach suits a contact-friendly (homer-unfriendly) park setup.

The sabremetric approach does work also - it's less popular but really is a viable option. The park should be set up the opposite way for that (max HR, min AVG). Base your offense around dingers & walks and focus on MOV & control for pitchers.

Basically, you're on the right track OP - any coherent strategy is better than no strategy.
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Thanks Renfro.

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Defense will take you a long way. Plus, it's a lot of fun.
Is there a General Strategy template I should be starting with?

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At Bronze, simply look at the DEF and Error ratings. Prioritize SS and CF defense. Don't worry too much about those guys hitting.
Are you referring to these attributes?

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And I'm looking for higher numbers in these areas, right?

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Adjust park factor, and soon. If you are going small ball, pull back the fences. You have to do this soon as park factors become locked early in the season.
Could you be a little more specific? I'm not familiar with editing the ball park so need all the help I can get.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:26 PM   #6
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The sabremetric approach does work also - it's less popular but really is a viable option. The park should be set up the opposite way for that (max HR, min AVG).
Is this literally a case of setting Home Runs LHB and Home Runs RHB to 1.1, and AVG LHB and AVG RHB to 0.9?

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Base your offense around dingers & walks and focus on MOV & control for pitchers.
What's a "dinger" (), and what attributes favour walks?
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For the park factors - yep that's exactly what I meant. You can tweak further for lefty/righty, based on your team composition, but that's the baseline.

haha, sorry - "dingers" are slang for home runs.

"Eye" rating is how you get walks.
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I thought Sabermetrics was about getting on base rather than home runs?
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:03 PM   #9
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Sabermetrics isn't really a specific strategy, IMO. It's more the idea of using statistical analysis to make decisions rather than relying on traditional wisdom. But yeah it often gets simplified to "focus on OBP instead of AVG" because that was one of the bigger, but simple to understand, changes to come out of Sabermetrics.

It would be more accurate to call this a "modern" baseball strategy. And a big reason sabermetrics focuses on OBP is because of home runs. Home runs have kind of taken over baseball at this point. You want to maximize the number of runners on base so that when someone inevitably hits a homer, you get more runs. Doesn't matter if the runner got there via walk or single, if his job is just to score on a homer.

Also consider, it's extremely difficult to hit for high average AND hit a lot of home runs in baseball. That's just the nature of the game - to hit HR you have to swing harder - which increases strikeouts. It's hard to hit for a high AVG when you strike out a lot. So you don't really see many players capable of excelling at both. Since the game has separate park factors for contact & power, it makes sense to choose one of the two and commit to it.

Sluggers tend to have the best EYE ratings to get on base and also high POWER ratings to knock them in, so that's the natural fit for the modern strategy. Live cards tend to do best in a park like this. They have bad CONTACT ratings though, so it helps to set those park factors to minimum, to cover your weaknesses better.

You'll probably find a lot of people preferring the opposite approach, the contact and defense based one. The "modern" strategy runs counter to the prevailing meta. But it still works.
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Thanks @chazzycat, this is great stuff.

So I'm gonna aim for Sabermetrics from next season onwards, which gives me the rest of the week to build the necessary roster.

If I've understood correctly, I need...
  • Batters with good HR Power, Eye, and probably Contact and maybe Avoid Ks if I can get it?
  • Pitchers with good Movement and Control? Groundball, or Flyball, or neutral?
  • Adjust the ballpark settings to Home Runs to 1.1, and AVG to 0.9?
Does the latter go for the Bullpen as well, or should I be looking for something different there?

What about the righty-lefty split in the roster–is this important?

I use the 20-80 ratings scale, so for the Bronze league where should I be aiming–around 50-55 or higher? I have PP to spend, but I'd rather not "buy" progress, instead taking the Moneyball approach

Should I set my General Strategy to Sabermetrics or Moderate Sabermetrics? Any Player Strategy tweaks you recommend?
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so just as an fyi - in order to move UP leagues, the fastest way to do that is to build up pitching. If you want to consolidate and generate PP for a bit before moving up, upgrade your offense.

Don't limit yourself to a specific minimum rating. For example, there are players that are 70/70/20/20 that typically work better than someone that is a 55 all the way around if your ballpark is tailored to the right specifications.

Also, I agree with the guy above who said range is more important than error -- BUT if the error rating drops below around 50 in the infield (except 1B) you are going to be frustrated. Its a balancing act, but 5 points of range will always be preferable to 5 points of error to me.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:10 PM   #12
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I have found as you move up levels pitching and defense becomes increasingly important. I have found some inexpensive hitters that can still be successful in Diamond, but pitchers on the other side have not been the same. I have had starting pitchers dominate at Gold, but when they move to diamond, they have to be removed from the rotation because they are so bad.

As you move up there seems to a surplus of players that can hit, so you need a way to keep the runs down. as mentioned, at lower levels, offense can be a great way to build points.
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So I'm gonna aim for Sabermetrics...If I've understood correctly, I need...
  • Batters with good HR Power, Eye, and probably Contact and maybe Avoid Ks if I can get it
Yep - that sounds like the right priority order. Avoid K is probably the least important (avoid K is mostly useful for moving runners over...we don't care much about that, since it doesn't matter which base the runner is on when someone hits a home run).

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  • Pitchers with good Movement and Control? Groundball, or Flyball, or neutral?
Yep on MOV/CON. Groundballers tend to have the best MOV ratings and keep the ball in the park. If you have rock solid infield defense, it's a good strategy. But the defense is quite important.

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  • Adjust the ballpark settings to Home Runs to 1.1, and AVG to 0.9?
Yep, exactly. You probably want to minimize doubles & triples as well if your sluggers don't have great outfield range nor "gap power" ratings.

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Does the latter go for the Bullpen as well, or should I be looking for something different there?
Generally, the same logic applies. But you may want a bit more "stuff" here to get a strikeout in those high-leverage situations.

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What about the righty-lefty split in the roster–is this important?
It can certainly give you an edge for the regular season, if you build your team around one side of the plate and set the park factors accordingly. But it can also potentially create vulnerabilities, which your opponents can exploit in short playoff series.

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I use the 20-80 ratings scale, so for the Bronze league where should I be aiming–around 50-55 or higher? I have PP to spend, but I'd rather not "buy" progress, instead taking the Moneyball approach
I try not to focus on individual ratings numbers...spend some time in the AH and "player search" and just try to find the best bargains with the ratings you care most about.

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Should I set my General Strategy to Sabermetrics or Moderate Sabermetrics? Any Player Strategy tweaks you recommend?
You probably want very conservative baserunning strategies. It doesn't make a lot of sense to risk getting thrown out taking an extra base, when again, it doesn't matter which base you're on when someone hits a homer. Hit & Runs/Sacrifice Bunts are a big NO from me as well.
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