Question/Opinions from those who run Historical Replay

boblight24 · 12-31-2014, 11:45 AM

I am attempting to embark on something that I've wanted to try for ages. I want to take individual "great" teams from the present all the way back to the 19th century and have them play in a Promotion/Relegation/Mini-Tournament/Unique League. My problem is this, great teams from one decade (i.e Chicago Cubs 1901-10, Yankees 1991-2000, Reds 1971-1980) should it be just one from that decade or all?

Please see the list below, this is all the Chicago teams that have 90+ wins in a sesason.

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1906	Chicago Cubs			NL	155	116	36
1907	Chicago Cubs			NL	155	107	45
1910	Chicago Cubs			NL	154	104	50
1909	Chicago Cubs			NL	155	104	49
1935	Chicago Cubs			NL	154	100	54
1917	Chicago White Sox		AL	156	100	54
2005	Chicago White Sox	AL Central	162	99	63
1983	Chicago White Sox	AL West		162	99	63
1908	Chicago Cubs			NL	158	99	55
1929	Chicago Cubs			NL	156	98	54
1945	Chicago Cubs			NL	155	98	56
1964	Chicago White Sox		AL	162	98	64
2008	Chicago Cubs		NL Central	161	97	64
1984	Chicago Cubs		NL East		161	96	65
1920	Chicago White Sox	AL		154	96	58
2000	Chicago White Sox	AL Central	162	95	67
1965	Chicago White Sox	AL		162	95	67
1993	Chicago White Sox	AL West		162	94	68
1959	Chicago White Sox	AL		156	94	60
1990	Chicago White Sox	AL West		162	94	68
1963	Chicago White Sox	AL		162	94	68
1954	Chicago White Sox	AL		155	94	60
1989	Chicago Cubs		NL East		162	93	69
1906	Chicago White Sox	AL		154	93	58
1904	Chicago Cubs		NL		156	93	60
1915	Chicago White Sox	AL		155	93	61
1937	Chicago Cubs		NL		154	93	61
1905	Chicago White Sox	AL		158	92	60
1905	Chicago Cubs		NL		155	92	61
1969	Chicago Cubs		NL East		163	92	70
1911	Chicago Cubs		NL		157	92	62
1955	Chicago White Sox	AL		155	91	63
1928	Chicago Cubs		NL		154	91	63
1912	Chicago Cubs		NL		152	91	59
1998	Chicago Cubs		NL Central	163	90	73
1932	Chicago Cubs		NL		154	90	64
1886	Chicago White Stockings	NL		126	90	34
2006	Chicago White Sox	AL Central	162	90	72
1977	Chicago White Sox	AL West		162	90	72
1957	Chicago White Sox	AL		155	90	64
1930	Chicago Cubs		NL		156	90	64

As you can see the first three teams all Cubs teams from a span of four seasons, in that era of baseball players didn't change teams with the frequency they do now, so I would essentially have the same team three times. Should I chose the one with most wins? The Champions? I intend on having geographical tournaments within my season, this one would be entitled Second City Classic or Windy City Shootout or something like that. Once I have all the leagues/tournaments done, I will take the top 20 or 30 (not sure yet, that will be based on the total # of teams in the league) and have a World Cup style tournament to determine an overall champion.

Let me know what you think is the best way to determine how many of each team get in? Thanks!!

USF · 12-31-2014, 12:13 PM

Pretty cool idea!
Just my opinion here but, I'd say have those 3 teams all in! Why not?

Jason

boblight24 · 12-31-2014, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by USF

Pretty cool idea!
Just my opinion here but, I'd say have those 3 teams all in! Why not?

Jason

Jason - I appreciate the comment. My next question is, how do I limit the # of teams? If I take all the Yankees teams that have won the championship I'd have a league unto themselves. Maybe criteria, such as World Championship and/or 100 wins PLUS something else? Or 100+ wins and you're in no matter post-season result? 90 wins? Pennants? There are some teams that I definitely want in this, like the '84 Cubs for example, but they fall short on everything I've listed above, except they had 96 wins. Just trying to herd these cats before I set off on the journey.

USF · 12-31-2014, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boblight24

Jason - I appreciate the comment. My next question is, how do I limit the # of teams? If I take all the Yankees teams that have won the championship I'd have a league unto themselves. Maybe criteria, such as World Championship and/or 100 wins PLUS something else? Or 100+ wins and you're in no matter post-season result? 90 wins? Pennants? There are some teams that I definitely want in this, like the '84 Cubs for example, but they fall short on everything I've listed above, except they had 96 wins. Just trying to herd these cats before I set off on the journey.

I didn't know you were able to actually pull individual teams into a league like this to be honest. I haven't played around with the solo features of the game a lot as my main focus has been with online leagues.

BUT assuming what you what to do can be done! I would take the World Series and/or Playoff Teams and/or 95+ win teams and/or special invite teams SINCE you are the LEAGUE COMMISH you can overturn any setting to place a commish fav in the post season - maybe you throw in a great team that under performed that you loved to watch? Then, see how many teams that would give you. 84 CUBS great team! Is that the year they played the Padres in the playoffs?? Sandberg? 2b... might never see 2b like him in the league again unless you count a juiced up Brett Boone haha

boblight24 · 12-31-2014, 01:15 PM

Ok here's where we stand...

All teams taken from BaseballReference.com.

Sorted by Wins -
Less than 95 wins, must have won WS Title
Between 96 and 99 wins, must have won pennant
Over 100 wins, automatically in.

We currently sit at 216 teams and that doesn't include the 'extra' teams that I haven't included, '78 Red Sox, '84 Cubs, etc.

Now is where I need a filter for teams in the 216 to cut the total number down to something manageable. I don't know what that is, but I do know 216 is too many. Maybe not the '96, '98, 99, and '00 Yankees, maybe just the '98? I don't think I need all the A's and Reds teams from the 1970's either.

Thoughts?....

Tashtego · 12-31-2014, 05:50 PM

I have a book published in 2002 by a G. Scott Thomas called "Leveling the Field." The author, using a convoluted formula, purports to compare teams and players of different eras.

Towards the end of the book, using a formula that he has devised, Mr. Thomas comes up with a list of his choices for the100 best and100 worst teams from 1901 to 2001 or so.

The book is available at Amazon for $0.01. Yes, that's 1 cent. 14 people reviewed it and they either loved it, or hated it.

The book sounds kind of what you are trying to do, so I thought I would mention it to you.

boblight24 · 12-31-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashtego

I have a book published in 2002 by a G. Scott Thomas called "Leveling the Field." The author, using a convoluted formula, purports to compare teams and players of different eras.

Towards the end of the book, using a formula that he has devised, Mr. Thomas comes up with a list of his choices for the100 best and100 worst teams from 1901 to 2001 or so.

The book is available at Amazon for $0.01. Yes, that's 1 cent. 14 people reviewed it and they either loved it, or hated it.

The book sounds kind of what you are trying to do, so I thought I would mention it to you.

I actually have that book and I love it. I will give it a glance and see if it helps my vision for this league. Thanks!!

boblight24 · 01-01-2015, 12:33 PM

OK - narrowed it down to 158 teams. I like that number.

Not all 158 teams will play at once. I will have leagues/tournaments set up based on several factors: decade, AL v NL, geographical, random, etc... Most leagues will be 64 game seasons with a seeded post season. Winners of various tournaments plus those with the overall best records will advance to the World Championship. The set-up is going to be the hardest part, not the waiting. Each league will be set up as follows:

No financials
No trading
No minors/reserve rosters
Injuries set to Low
No Drug suspensions
3-man rotation
No DH
Stats based on 1985, the midst of the era when I began watching the game

12-31-2014, 11:45 AM	#1
boblight24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beyond Is Where I Roam Posts: 554 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Question/Opinions from those who run Historical Replay I am attempting to embark on something that I've wanted to try for ages. I want to take individual "great" teams from the present all the way back to the 19th century and have them play in a Promotion/Relegation/Mini-Tournament/Unique League. My problem is this, great teams from one decade (i.e Chicago Cubs 1901-10, Yankees 1991-2000, Reds 1971-1980) should it be just one from that decade or all? Please see the list below, this is all the Chicago teams that have 90+ wins in a sesason. Code: 1906 Chicago Cubs NL 155 116 36 1907 Chicago Cubs NL 155 107 45 1910 Chicago Cubs NL 154 104 50 1909 Chicago Cubs NL 155 104 49 1935 Chicago Cubs NL 154 100 54 1917 Chicago White Sox AL 156 100 54 2005 Chicago White Sox AL Central 162 99 63 1983 Chicago White Sox AL West 162 99 63 1908 Chicago Cubs NL 158 99 55 1929 Chicago Cubs NL 156 98 54 1945 Chicago Cubs NL 155 98 56 1964 Chicago White Sox AL 162 98 64 2008 Chicago Cubs NL Central 161 97 64 1984 Chicago Cubs NL East 161 96 65 1920 Chicago White Sox AL 154 96 58 2000 Chicago White Sox AL Central 162 95 67 1965 Chicago White Sox AL 162 95 67 1993 Chicago White Sox AL West 162 94 68 1959 Chicago White Sox AL 156 94 60 1990 Chicago White Sox AL West 162 94 68 1963 Chicago White Sox AL 162 94 68 1954 Chicago White Sox AL 155 94 60 1989 Chicago Cubs NL East 162 93 69 1906 Chicago White Sox AL 154 93 58 1904 Chicago Cubs NL 156 93 60 1915 Chicago White Sox AL 155 93 61 1937 Chicago Cubs NL 154 93 61 1905 Chicago White Sox AL 158 92 60 1905 Chicago Cubs NL 155 92 61 1969 Chicago Cubs NL East 163 92 70 1911 Chicago Cubs NL 157 92 62 1955 Chicago White Sox AL 155 91 63 1928 Chicago Cubs NL 154 91 63 1912 Chicago Cubs NL 152 91 59 1998 Chicago Cubs NL Central 163 90 73 1932 Chicago Cubs NL 154 90 64 1886 Chicago White Stockings NL 126 90 34 2006 Chicago White Sox AL Central 162 90 72 1977 Chicago White Sox AL West 162 90 72 1957 Chicago White Sox AL 155 90 64 1930 Chicago Cubs NL 156 90 64 As you can see the first three teams all Cubs teams from a span of four seasons, in that era of baseball players didn't change teams with the frequency they do now, so I would essentially have the same team three times. Should I chose the one with most wins? The Champions? I intend on having geographical tournaments within my season, this one would be entitled Second City Classic or Windy City Shootout or something like that. Once I have all the leagues/tournaments done, I will take the top 20 or 30 (not sure yet, that will be based on the total # of teams in the league) and have a World Cup style tournament to determine an overall champion. Let me know what you think is the best way to determine how many of each team get in? Thanks!! __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda "Good is not good enough, when better is expected." ~Vin Scully

12-31-2014, 01:15 PM	#5
boblight24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beyond Is Where I Roam Posts: 554 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Ok here's where we stand... All teams taken from BaseballReference.com. Sorted by Wins - Less than 95 wins, must have won WS Title Between 96 and 99 wins, must have won pennant Over 100 wins, automatically in. We currently sit at 216 teams and that doesn't include the 'extra' teams that I haven't included, '78 Red Sox, '84 Cubs, etc. Now is where I need a filter for teams in the 216 to cut the total number down to something manageable. I don't know what that is, but I do know 216 is too many. Maybe not the '96, '98, 99, and '00 Yankees, maybe just the '98? I don't think I need all the A's and Reds teams from the 1970's either. Thoughts?.... __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda "Good is not good enough, when better is expected." ~Vin Scully

12-31-2014, 05:50 PM	#6
Tashtego Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 139	I have a book published in 2002 by a G. Scott Thomas called "Leveling the Field." The author, using a convoluted formula, purports to compare teams and players of different eras. Towards the end of the book, using a formula that he has devised, Mr. Thomas comes up with a list of his choices for the100 best and100 worst teams from 1901 to 2001 or so. The book is available at Amazon for $0.01. Yes, that's 1 cent. 14 people reviewed it and they either loved it, or hated it. The book sounds kind of what you are trying to do, so I thought I would mention it to you. __________________ "I see great things in baseball. It's our game - the American game." - Walt Whitman

01-01-2015, 12:33 PM	#8
boblight24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beyond Is Where I Roam Posts: 554 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	OK - narrowed it down to 158 teams. I like that number. Not all 158 teams will play at once. I will have leagues/tournaments set up based on several factors: decade, AL v NL, geographical, random, etc... Most leagues will be 64 game seasons with a seeded post season. Winners of various tournaments plus those with the overall best records will advance to the World Championship. The set-up is going to be the hardest part, not the waiting. Each league will be set up as follows: No financials No trading No minors/reserve rosters Injuries set to Low No Drug suspensions 3-man rotation No DH Stats based on 1985, the midst of the era when I began watching the game __________________ "No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda "Good is not good enough, when better is expected." ~Vin Scully

12-31-2014, 12:13 PM	#2
USF All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maple, ON - Canada Posts: 1,058	Pretty cool idea! Just my opinion here but, I'd say have those 3 teams all in! Why not? Jason