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Old 05-24-2006, 05:59 PM   #81
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I should have known not to question your omnipotent knowledge. Henry Cimoli is indeed a LW. On page 20 of Chance he’s credited with fighting Willie Pep twice. On page 46 of Cold Service he’s credited with knocking Pep down once but never hitting him the rest of the fight. On page 43 of Widow’s Walk it acknowledges that Cimoli boxed as a LW and it showed in the scar tissue around his eyes and the way his nose had thickened. His T-shirt showed how muscular he still was.

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Old 05-24-2006, 06:09 PM   #82
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Jofre,

Thank you, problem solved. My fighters were retired, when I changed them to active they all become ranked.

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Bear, this is some information I picked up on Kirkwood. He stands 6 ft 1 inc and weighs 201 pounds. He was born in Australia, and originally won fame as a golfer. He was signed in 1945 by Warner Brothers and later portrayed Joe Palooka in a series of movies produced by Allied Artists. Kirkwood is said to do all his scenes without a stand-in and was twice kayoed during some of the action scenes by former professional (Jack Roper and Hal Fieberling).

Palooka website: http://www.toonopedia.com/palooka.htm
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Hal Fieberling also appeared in numerous films using this name and also the name Hal Baylor. I'll soon provide about a dozen tomato cans based on these. Prior to Kirkwood signing as Palooka in 1946 there was a 1934 film with Jimmy Durante as Knobby Walsh, Stu Erwin as Joe Palooka, and William Armstrong as Joe's dad Pete.

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Bear, this is some information I picked up on Kirkwood. He stands 6 ft 1 inc and weighs 201 pounds. He was born in Australia, and originally won fame as a golfer. He was signed in 1945 by Warner Brothers and later portrayed Joe Palooka in a series of movies produced by Allied Artists. Kirkwood is said to do all his scenes without a stand-in and was twice kayoed during some of the action scenes by former professional (Jack Roper and Hal Fieberling).

Palooka website: http://www.toonopedia.com/palooka.htm
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The picks are great. So is the info on the boxing comics from toonopedia.
Romano reported that there was a nation wide search for the person ro play Palooka. Kirkwood didn't enter, but won because his mom sent an entry in.

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Bear,

I should have known not to question your omnipotent knowledge. Henry Cimoli is indeed a LW. On page 20 of Chance he’s credited with fighting Willie Pep twice. On page 46 of Cold Service he’s credited with knocking Pep down once but never hitting him the rest of the fight. On page 43 of Widow’s Walk it acknowledges that Cimoli boxed as a LW and it showed in the scar tissue around his eyes and the way his nose had thickened. His T-shirt showed how muscular he still was.

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When I first was reading Spenser I made the same assumption about Cimoli being a feather. We tend to forget that in the Pep/Saddler era club fighters were still in their hayday. Guys fought often and at catchweights. Pep's loss, sandwiched in between two incredible undefeated streaks, was a catchweight affair with Sammy Angott. I've never seen film of Angott but envision him as a lightweight version of Ernie Terrell with the ever so crowd pleasing jab and grab style. (For younger audiances think of John Ruiz style in a lightweight body.)

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Old 05-26-2006, 07:29 AM   #86
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Palooka

The 1934 film Palooka had Jimmy Durante .... Knobby Walsh/Junior manager. It was mainly a comic vehicle for him.

Stuart Erwin .... Joe Palooka
Robert Armstrong .... Pete 'Goodtime' Palooka
William Cagney .... Al 'Mac' McSwatt
Franklyn Ardell .... Doc Wise
Tom Dugan .... Whitey, Joe's Trainer
Fred 'Snowflake' Toones .... Smokey (as Snowflake)
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Brooks Benedict .... Slugs, Blacky's Associate (uncredited)
Stanley Fields .... Blacky Wolfe (uncredited)
Kit Guard .... McSwatt's Handler (uncredited)
Al Hill .... Dynamite Wilson (uncredited)
Ivan Linow .... Fourth Fixed Fighter (uncredited)
Wheeler Oakman .... Rafferty (uncredited)
Bob Perry .... Referee (uncredited)
Rolfe Sedan .... Alphonse (uncredited)
Harry Tenbrook .... McSwatt's Handler (uncredited)
Guinn 'Big Boy' Williams .... Slats (uncredited)
Norman Willis .... Second Fixed Fighter (uncredited)

Later in the 30s a # of two-reelers were made with the cast of:
Robert Norton .... Joe Palooka
Shemp Howard .... Knobby Walsh
I'll skip this one

From the first film we have:
JoeS.E. Palooka HW S8

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Palooka

In the 1938 film Palooka
Robert Armstrong .... Pete 'Goodtime' Palooka
William Cagney .... Al 'Mac' McSwatt

William Cagney is Jimmy Cagney's look-alike brother making his screen debut.

Pete Palooka MW S11
Al 'Mac' McSwatt HW S9

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Old 05-26-2006, 07:40 AM   #88
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Palooka

Al Hill .... Dynamite Wilson (uncredited)
Ivan Linow .... Fourth Fixed Fighter (uncredited)
Guinn 'Big Boy' Williams .... Slats (uncredited)
Norman Willis .... Second Fixed Fighter (uncredited)
Brooks Benedict .... Slugs, Blacky's Associate (uncredited)

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Dynamite Wilson HW S5
Willi Norman HW B1
Ivan Fixx HW B1
Slugs Benedict HW S1
Slatts Guinn HW S1

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Old 05-26-2006, 08:17 AM   #89
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Palooka

Joe Palooka, Champ (1946)
IMDB gives

Directed by Reginald Le Borg
Writing credits (in alphabetical order)
Hal E. Chester story
Albert DePina (as Albert de Pina)
Cy Endfield (as Cyril Endfield)
Ham Fisher characters
Boxing cast
Leon Errol .... Knobby Walsh
Joe Kirkwood Jr. .... Joe Palooka
Eduardo Ciannelli .... Florini (Hood and manager stole Al Costa from Walsh)
Elisha Cook Jr. .... Eugene
Warren Hymer .... Ira Eyler
Sam McDaniel .... Smoky (handler for Walsh)
Lou Nova .... Al Costa
Eddie Gribbon .... Louie, the Louisiana Lion
J. Farrell MacDonald .... Long-Count Bowman
John Kelly .... Sam
Roger Daniel .... Stevie Palooka
Sam Hayes .... Radio Announcer
Dick Fishell .... Radio Announcer
Philip Van Zandt .... Freddie Wells (as Phil Van Zandt)
Emmett Vogan .... Fight Commissioner
Michael Mark .... Herman (Pop) Palooka
Joe Louis .... Himself
Henry Armstrong .... Himself
Ceferino García .... Himself
Manuel Ángeles Ortiz .... Himself (as Manuel Ortiz)
Jimmy McLarnin .... Himself - Referee
Jack Roper .... Waldo, the Wyoming Wildcat
Alexander Laszlo .... Aladar
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Harry Danning .... Punchy (uncredited)
Pat Flaherty .... Patrick Burke, Referee (uncredited)
John Indrisano .... Fight Referee (uncredited)
Pat McKee .... Franki Altri's Handler (uncredited)
Bob Perry .... Timekeeper (uncredited)

fight manager and promoter Knobby Walsh (Leon Errol) trains Al Costa (Lou Nova) to fight for the heavyweight championship, but gangster Florini (Eduardo Ciannelli), with the help of his henchmen, Lefty (Joe Sawyer) and Curly (Russ Vincent), takes the budding champion away from him. Knobby begins the search for a new fighter by taking four fighters and handler Smoky (Sam McDaniel) on a tour of tank towns. He finds Joe Palooka (Joe Kirkwood), a natural boxer, in a small town. Anne Howe (Elyse Knox), a society girl passing through town, helps persuade the shy-and-gentle farm boy to sign a contract with Knobby. Joe wins a string of sensational matches and, while training for the championship match with the recently-crowned champion Costa, Anne invites him to a party where her snobby society friend Ronnie Brewster (Robert Kent) makes a fool of Joe. The latter's training suffers as a result of this and estrangements from Knobby and Anne, but he rebuffs the efforts of Florini to get him to throw the fight.

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Palooka

From Joe Palooka, Champ (1946)

Louie "the Louisiana Lion" Lyons HW S4
Ira Eyler HW B4
Waldo "the Wyoming Wildcat" Wild HW S5
Long-Count Bowman HW S3

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Palooka

Also have

Frankie Altri HW B5
Punchy Danning HW B1

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Gentleman Joe Palooka (1946)
Has Hymer, Gribbon, and Roper listed as sparring partners. Won't redo them.

Cast members

Freddie Steele .... Himself
John Indrisano .... Sparring Partner (uncredited)
Stubby Kruger .... Fighter (uncredited)
Jack Shea .... Fighter (uncredited)

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Stubby Shea HW S2
Jack Kruger HW S1

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Palooka

Joe Palooka in the Knockout (1947)

Danny Morton .... Pusher Moore ?? was he a fighter??
I didn't rate him since I wasn't certain of his role.
Sonny Chorre .... Cardona (uncredited)
Meyer Grace .... Fighter (uncredited)

Chorre's Cardona is a recurring character.

Mort Meyer HW B4
Sonny Cardona HW S8

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Palooka

Joe Palooka in Fighting Mad (1948) has

Eddie Gribbon .... Scranton
Dewey Robinson .... Fighter
Ted Pavelec .... Sparring Partner

and gives us

Pavel Robinson HW B1
Dewey Veleck HW S1
Eddie Scranton HW B4

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Palooka

Joe Palooka in Winner Take All (1948)

'Big' Ben Moroz .... Bobo Walker
Hal Baylor .... Sammy Talbot (listed as Hal Fieberling)

IMBD gives a bio for Baylor

birth name Hal brittan
height 5' 4"
Held the California Heavyweight Boxing Championship, posting a professional record of 52-5.
Made landings on Saipan and Tinian as a Marine in World War II.
His great-great grandfather was the original founder of Baylor University.
Attended Washington State on an athletic scholarship.

Baylor appeared in numerous boxing roles in films and TV,

Bobo Walker HW S8
Sammy Talbot HW s7

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Palooka

Joe Palooka in the Big Fight (1949)
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Ted Pavelec .... Tiny, a fighter (Tiny Morrow?)

a later film lists a Tiny Morrow and he'll appear there.

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Palooka

Cardona reappears in
Joe Palooka in the Counterpunch (1949)

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Palooka

Joe Palooka Meets Humphrey (1950)

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James Gleason .... Knobby Walsh 1950
Robert Coogan .... Humphrey Pennyworth
Russ Kaplan .... Johnson

and gives

Humphrey Pennyworth HW S8
Russ Johnson HW S5


Joe Palooka in Humphrey Takes a Chance (1950)
adds no one, but is Leon Errol's last appearence as Walsh
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Joe Palooka in the Squared Circle (1950)

Has James Gleason as Knobby Walsh.
Also has
Hal Baylor .... Pinky Thompson (as Hal Fieberling)
John Frederick .... Tiny Morrow (as John Merrick)

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Pinky Thompson HW S6
Tiny Morrow HW S5

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Palooka

Joe Palooka in Triple Cross (1951)
does not list an opponent.

Kirkwood reprised his role as Joe on TV.

"The Joe Palooka Story" (1954) [TV-Series]
Joe Kirkwood Jr. .... Joe Palooka (1954)
Max 'Slapsie Maxie' Rosenbloom .... Humphrey Pennyworth (1954)
Luis Van Rooten .... Knobby Walsh

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