Double weight of current year stats

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

I would think the game is more interested in the rates that a player hit a HR or double in rather than the raw numbers themselves. This makes your Adjust/Weaken settings important. Too high and you might cause some guys to be Adjusted/Weakened that don't really deserve to be. Too low and you could create beasts out of guys with very few AB/IP. I use 200/50 for AB, and 40/10 for IP. Always have because those are ideal for Neutralized Stats, which I had always used until this year. Gonna give Real Stats some test runs as well and pick out whichever one suits me. Missed seasons are a big reason for using 3 or 5 year recalc because there are definitely some numbers to work with regardless of whether the player was serving his country in wartime or injured or whatever the case may be IRL. Jeff1787 has definitely convinced me that if you're going to use players from outside the MLB database, you probably want Neutralized Stats, but there were issues in OOTP18 with some HoF type OF becoming first basemen. I love using players from outside the MLB database, so that might force my hand. We shall see.

Spritze recommended AB 150/50 and IP 20/10 in one of his posts. This might be to make up for Negro League players and others. However, maybe using Neutralized stats, these numbers might be too low. I don't know?

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Jeff1787 has definitely convinced me that if you're going to use players from outside the MLB database, you probably want Neutralized Stats, but there were issues in OOTP18 with some HoF type OF becoming first basemen. FIXED I love using players from outside the MLB database, so that might force my hand. We shall see.

There are no neutered stats for players outside the MLB database.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

Spritze recommended AB 150/50 and IP 20/10 in one of his posts. This might be to make up for Negro League players and others. No, Negro League short seasons and the stats they produce are handled elsewhere behind the curtain However, maybe using Neutralized stats, these numbers might be too low. I don't know?

The reason I recommended those settings is just because I like the results they produce. There is no right answer. Choose your weapons and take your chances.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Spritze

There are no neutered stats for players outside the MLB database.

I'm aware that the "Neutralized" stats in the Spritze DB are in fact not neutered. However they have more volume generally then the "Real" stats for the same players, particularly for Negro Leaguers.

[Spritze]

The volume knob there goes to 11.

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Spritze

There are no neutered stats for players outside the MLB database.

Except in your DB....correct? Sorry, Spritze your statement threw me for a loop.

[Spritze]

The Spritze database only contains MLE's for minor, negro, Japanese and Korean players. The MLB stats there are Real.

[David Watts]

[QUOTE=Spritze;4297023]The volume knob there goes to 11.

Nigel Tufnel: The numbers all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and...
Marty DiBergi: Oh, I see. And most amps go up to ten?
Nigel Tufnel: Exactly.
Marty DiBergi: Does that mean it's louder? Is it any louder?
Nigel Tufnel: Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?
Marty DiBergi: I don't know.
Nigel Tufnel: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra push over the cliff, you know what we do?
Marty DiBergi: Put it up to eleven.
Nigel Tufnel: Eleven. Exactly. One louder.
Marty DiBergi: Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?
Nigel Tufnel: [pause] These go to eleven.[/QUOTE

Smell The Glove

[Jeff1787]

Originally Posted by Spritze

The Spritze database only contains MLE's for minor, negro, Japanese and Korean players. The MLB stats there are Real.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but just as one last point of clarification:
If I will be manually importing players from your DB for Negro Leagues etc then I must use Neutralized Stats.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but just as one last point of clarification:
If I will be manually importing players from your DB for Negro Leagues etc then I must use Neutralized Stats.

Here's the thing. Set game to Neutralized Stats, there will be more volume (PA, AB) for Negro Leaguers to base their stats and therefore their ratings on. Even though the "Neutralized Stats" in Spritze database aren't really neutralized. They are Minor League Equivalents (MLEs), which is an ingenius way to do it. Set game to Real Stats, there will be less volume for these players. So it's up to you. Neutralized Stats issue with HoF OF like Cobb, Burkett playing a crappy 1B has been resolved according to Spritze, so that's a plus in the Neutralized Stats column.

[Jerry Helper]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Here's the thing. Set game to Neutralized Stats, there will be more volume (PA, AB) for Negro Leaguers to base their stats and therefore their ratings on. Even though the "Neutralized Stats" in Spritze database aren't really neutralized. They are Minor League Equivalents (MLEs), which is an ingenius way to do it. Set game to Real Stats, there will be less volume for these players. So it's up to you. Neutralized Stats issue with HoF OF like Cobb, Burkett playing a crappy 1B has been resolved according to Spritze, so that's a plus in the Neutralized Stats column.

Have you run tests on 19 with neutralized? How does it look?

[Reed]

Today I ran a with neutralized, straight historical (not random) from 1901 to 1937. Used one year recal, injuries on low, fatigue set to average, weaken/adjust ser to 200/100 and 40/20. Development off, players retire as in real life. 2 way players off. All other settings set to default.
Extremely pleased with results. 9 players seasons of batting Average at or above .400 (high was .439). Only one player hit over 50 HR (52HR—-140 game schedule). I’m very pleased and set up a league using pretty much the above settings.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Jerry Helper

Have you run tests on 19 with neutralized? How does it look?

Still slowly kicking around with Real Stats 5-year double weighted. I'll get there eventually. Don't know when though.

[JaBurns]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Still slowly kicking around with Real Stats 5-year double weighted. I'll get there eventually. Don't know when though.

I have joined the club, I am methodical going thru a 5 year recalc Stats frozen in 76. I am liking what I am seeing so far but may have set my weaken/adjust settings far too high. Want get at least a few a more seasons in then try importing a few NLers, maybe I will get better with importing , as miracles do occasionally happen in real life. I can attest to this because I was able to recover the league from the scrap heap and setup my unaffiliated AAA leagues without the infiltration of fictional players. May have to change fatigue and injury settings.

[Jeff1787]

I just imported two Negro League players into a OOTP 19 Historical League...Random debut w/neutralized stats. I used the Spritze HS DB for OOTP 17, which by the way seemed to work with OOTP 18.

Here is what I got for the Neutralized career stats:

Pop Lloyd - .396 career AVE and 1.963 career OPS

Jesse Douglas - .459 & 2.097

His DB is not yet compatible with OOTP 19; hopefully soon...

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

May have to change fatigue and injury settings.

Me too. I'm going to be trying Injuries of Very High (M*A*S*H* unit settings) with Average fatigue next. I found High injuries with Average fatigue yielded plate appearance leaders that were a bit high, and High injuries High fatigue yielded plate appearance leaders that seemed too low. We'll see how it goes. Now there's the September 1st roster expansion issue, which apparently can only be corrected on...you guessed it...September 1st. Ugh. So many delays, so little time.

[RANGER11JP]

Originally Posted by Spritze

The Spritze database only contains MLE's for minor, negro, Japanese and Korean players. The MLB stats there are Real.

And where is this Spritze DB and is it OOTP 19 ready? I can't keep track of all these great things.

[JaBurns]

Originally Posted by RANGER11JP

And where is this Spritze DB and is it OOTP 19 ready? I can't keep track of all these great things.

I do not think the new database is out yet.

[JaBurns]

Looks like we will have roster expansion after the next patch. My current plan is to wait for the new database(s) from Sir Spritze before starting my real league. Would like to get ~25 years into my test league. Will have more time after the weekend the minor hockey team my son is coaching finishes their season on Sunday.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

Looks like we will have roster expansion after the next patch. My current plan is to wait for the new database(s) from Sir Spritze before starting my real league. Would like to get ~25 years into my test league. Will have more time after the weekend the minor hockey team my son is coaching finishes their season on Sunday.

Sure would love to know if rosters expand to 40 automatically when using reserve rosters due to there not being a way to disable that rule, or do they stick at 25 and not expand to 40, because the option for expansion isn't present? I disable September expansion in all my leagues. If I was the MLB Commissioner I would put an end to that nonsense before the ink was dry on my contract.