Questdog's Names for OOTP 15 - Page 8

Habsfan18 · 12-01-2014, 09:33 PM

..continued.

Here is my latest draft's 1st round.

8 of the first 11 players picked are either named Tom, Dusty or Pat.

Looking at the other rounds, it seems to be the same 20 or so names.

jpeters1734 · 12-02-2014, 01:01 AM

I'm not sure whats going on with the draft but as far as the clicking random name, I wouldn't trust that as a test. It's like when you randomize team nicknames, the same one will show every few clicks.

Try opening the first_names.txt in the database folder and see how many first names are in there. You could also try lowering the number beside the name to make it less frequent.

Questdog · 12-02-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Is there something wrong with my setup? I get that names like Dave and Tom and Jimmy are common names, but it's getting to the point where it seems like for draft classes and such it's the same 10 names or so.

Any ideas?

Something is wrong with your setup. Xavier is not a name in the anglo list in the 2000 set.

'Dave' should be stuck on only about 1 out of every 100 players.

Habsfan18 · 12-02-2014, 10:18 AM

Hmm, I'm not sure what I did wrong then. I did exactly what was required from the readme. My name and first_name files are the 2000 sets and game world.xml and ethnicities files are yours as well. I re imported database and name and ethnicities files. Basically every step from the readme.

Habsfan18 · 12-02-2014, 12:17 PM

I re-did the entire process last night too. And then re-imported. Still getting Dave's and Tom's etc.

I must be doing something wrong though. Just can't figure it out.

Questdog · 12-02-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

I re-did the entire process last night too. And then re-imported. Still getting Dave's and Tom's etc.

I must be doing something wrong though. Just can't figure it out.

Is this a fictional league or one started with the MLB quickstart? The MLB Quickstart has some hacks done to it that seem to make re-importing names a spotty transaction......

Habsfan18 · 12-02-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Is this a fictional league or one started with the MLB quickstart? The MLB Quickstart has some hacks done to it that seem to make re-importing names a spotty transaction......

It's an imported 2013 quickstart that was started in OOTP14. I'm currently in 2040 now, I've been using your nameset since 2032 and never paid much attention to the names. Started noticing lately.

Habsfan18 · 12-06-2014, 12:23 PM

Looks like it was indeed the MLB quickstart. I created a fictional league using the name files and it's all good.

I wonder if I started a new MLB Quickstart would it be fine? Are the potential issues only if I re-import to an already existing game?

Questdog · 12-06-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18

Looks like it was indeed the MLB quickstart. I created a fictional league using the name files and it's all good.

I wonder if I started a new MLB Quickstart would it be fine? Are the potential issues only if I re-import to an already existing game?

No, it would not be fine. The MLB Quickstart is its own animal and does not play well with others.

ecd1973 · 03-20-2015, 02:13 PM

Just a friendly query regarding OOTP16. Are any updates needed to the OOTP15 set or will they work (incuding the .xml file)?

Questdog · 03-20-2015, 05:22 PM

I am in the process of updating the .xml.

Should be done tonight, hopefully.

The old one will work (I'm pretty sure), but the new one is a little better.

ecd1973 · 03-20-2015, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

I am in the process of updating the .xml.

Should be done tonight, hopefully.

The old one will work (I'm pretty sure), but the new one is a little better.

Awesome thanks so much. Your names mod is always the first one I install.

txranger · 03-20-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ecd1973

Your names mod is always the first one I install.

Same here... Best mod ever!!! Thanks for updating this, most appreciated...

MBarrett · 03-21-2015, 10:08 AM

Looks like my new solo venture is gonna have to wait then. No pressure QD.

Questdog · 03-21-2015, 07:08 PM

In case you are monitoring this thread, I have sent a new file to ootpmods.com and started a new thread on Questdog's Names for OOTP16.

Questdog · 03-21-2015, 07:10 PM

P.S. As usual, if you cannot wait for ootpmods.com to make the file available, I can email you a copy if you PM me an email address. Your email account needs to be able to accept an attachment of approximately 2 MB.

Biggio509 · 04-06-2015, 02:48 PM

Just a suggestion for future versions. The use of American as the title for both the USA and the USA where black players are generated is a bit confusing when trying to generate players. I used my editor to change the black player's nationality to African American so there is no confusion when creating players. I also edited the nation name to Freedom (just an ironic thought about the end of slavery but continued discrimination in the period) to differentiate the two.

Questdog · 04-06-2015, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggio509

Just a suggestion for future versions. The use of American as the title for both the USA and the USA where black players are generated is a bit confusing when trying to generate players. I used my editor to change the black player's nationality to African American so there is no confusion when creating players. I also edited the nation name to Freedom (just an ironic thought about the end of slavery but continued discrimination in the period) to differentiate the two.

Personally, I don't think there should be a differentiation. If I could get it to work so that black players could come from the USA and still keep the leagues segregated I would have. Conceptually, they are born and live in the same place as the white players. Thus, USA and America. A Black player born in Detroit, America was born in the same place as the white player born in Detroit, USA.

What is the advantage of making the nations more distinguishable?

Biggio509 · 04-07-2015, 09:59 AM

The advantage was in player creation and if you are moving a team.

So lets say you are moving a team from Toronto to Pittsburgh. When you pull down the list you have two USA's. Not a huge deal but if you pick the wrong one and reset league percentages to 100% of the home nation you get both the black USA and the non black USA come up. This is really minor and easily fixed.

The hard part is creating free agents in the segregated era. When you go to free agents and click create free agents there is a drop down for nationality. Both the nationalities say American. So it is real easy to accidentally create a large batch of African Americans in a segregated league. The same can happen if you are creating for negro leagues but you get a bunch of white players in the league for African Americans. Then you have a lot of editing to do. That is why I use the nation editor to change the nationality of the black player USA to African American. No guessing which one is which when creating free agents.

Part of this is just the way OOTP works. If you just create random nationality, it uses the nation's stars to allocate players so you get African Americans, Dominicans etc. Therefore you have to specify USA and if get the wrong USA you have to delete FAs or edit them to keep the league segregated during segregation. I am not sure if 16 will have the same lack of player creation problems I saw in 15 when you have a bunch of independent minors prior to the Branch Rickey era.

moosbrugger · 04-25-2016, 05:03 PM

nevermind, didn't see ootp16 thread

12-01-2014, 09:33 PM	#141
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,238	..continued. Here is my latest draft's 1st round. 8 of the first 11 players picked are either named Tom, Dusty or Pat. Looking at the other rounds, it seems to be the same 20 or so names. Attached Images Last edited by Habsfan18; 12-01-2014 at 09:38 PM.

12-02-2014, 01:01 AM	#142
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 5,617	I'm not sure whats going on with the draft but as far as the clicking random name, I wouldn't trust that as a test. It's like when you randomize team nicknames, the same one will show every few clicks. Try opening the first_names.txt in the database folder and see how many first names are in there. You could also try lowering the number beside the name to make it less frequent. __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

04-07-2015, 09:59 AM	#159
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,025	The advantage was in player creation and if you are moving a team. So lets say you are moving a team from Toronto to Pittsburgh. When you pull down the list you have two USA's. Not a huge deal but if you pick the wrong one and reset league percentages to 100% of the home nation you get both the black USA and the non black USA come up. This is really minor and easily fixed. The hard part is creating free agents in the segregated era. When you go to free agents and click create free agents there is a drop down for nationality. Both the nationalities say American. So it is real easy to accidentally create a large batch of African Americans in a segregated league. The same can happen if you are creating for negro leagues but you get a bunch of white players in the league for African Americans. Then you have a lot of editing to do. That is why I use the nation editor to change the nationality of the black player USA to African American. No guessing which one is which when creating free agents. Part of this is just the way OOTP works. If you just create random nationality, it uses the nation's stars to allocate players so you get African Americans, Dominicans etc. Therefore you have to specify USA and if get the wrong USA you have to delete FAs or edit them to keep the league segregated during segregation. I am not sure if 16 will have the same lack of player creation problems I saw in 15 when you have a bunch of independent minors prior to the Branch Rickey era. Last edited by Biggio509; 04-07-2015 at 10:01 AM.

04-25-2016, 05:03 PM	#160
moosbrugger Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 16	nevermind, didn't see ootp16 thread Last edited by moosbrugger; 04-25-2016 at 05:18 PM.

12-02-2014, 10:18 AM	#144
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,238	Hmm, I'm not sure what I did wrong then. I did exactly what was required from the readme. My name and first_name files are the 2000 sets and game world.xml and ethnicities files are yours as well. I re imported database and name and ethnicities files. Basically every step from the readme.

12-02-2014, 12:17 PM	#145
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,238	I re-did the entire process last night too. And then re-imported. Still getting Dave's and Tom's etc. I must be doing something wrong though. Just can't figure it out.

12-06-2014, 12:23 PM	#148
Habsfan18 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,238	Looks like it was indeed the MLB quickstart. I created a fictional league using the name files and it's all good. I wonder if I started a new MLB Quickstart would it be fine? Are the potential issues only if I re-import to an already existing game?

03-20-2015, 02:13 PM	#150
ecd1973 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 309	Just a friendly query regarding OOTP16. Are any updates needed to the OOTP15 set or will they work (incuding the .xml file)?

03-20-2015, 05:22 PM	#151
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	I am in the process of updating the .xml. Should be done tonight, hopefully. The old one will work (I'm pretty sure), but the new one is a little better.

03-21-2015, 10:08 AM	#154
MBarrett All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 623	Looks like my new solo venture is gonna have to wait then. No pressure QD.

03-21-2015, 07:08 PM	#155
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	In case you are monitoring this thread, I have sent a new file to ootpmods.com and started a new thread on Questdog's Names for OOTP16.

03-21-2015, 07:10 PM	#156
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	P.S. As usual, if you cannot wait for ootpmods.com to make the file available, I can email you a copy if you PM me an email address. Your email account needs to be able to accept an attachment of approximately 2 MB.

04-06-2015, 02:48 PM	#157
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,025	Just a suggestion for future versions. The use of American as the title for both the USA and the USA where black players are generated is a bit confusing when trying to generate players. I used my editor to change the black player's nationality to African American so there is no confusion when creating players. I also edited the nation name to Freedom (just an ironic thought about the end of slavery but continued discrimination in the period) to differentiate the two.