Historically accurate names - OOTP2007

cbbl · 03-23-2007, 05:41 PM

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like the fact that league financials and strategies are easily aligned with the years were are playing in.

But what about names? (Fictional league here)

I can't find this on 2007. Is the process the same as 2006, that is, changing the names file to eliminate all the Rodriguezes et. al. from my 1947 league? As I recall, it wasn't easy (or maybe even possible) to adjust this over time. Is that still accurate? Can someone run me through the basics of this?

TIA!

cbbl

dcpcarmona · 03-25-2007, 12:04 PM

a friendly bump because I'm interested in knowing this as well.

cbbl · 03-26-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dcpcarmona

a friendly bump because I'm interested in knowing this as well.

Thanks. Suprised to not see any discussion on this. For the league I've just started in 1947, I switched the nations.txt file to use the Historical US name set instead.

I guess what I'm looking for is something like Questdog's name sets for 2007 (I'm assuming his name sets won't work with '07 as more parameters have been added). I'd create one of these name sets myself, but I cannot locate the underlying data (historical name popularity for both first and surnames). All I can find is data from the 1990 census.

Maybe the answer is to modify the current txt files using the popularity parameters from Questdog's old files.

Anyway -- further discussion requested!!

cbbl

No Pepper · 03-26-2007, 11:38 AM

Your best bet is probably to convert Questdog's files, but I can't remember how much his last names were modified, as only the first names changed from decade to decade IIRC. I'll check into the bookmarks I have for "census" name data (first name only IIRC) as I used some for creating an unpublished nameset for women in the 1940s (ie, born in 1925). I haven't looked at the changes that came with 2007 yet, however.

**EDIT**

Here is the source I used for OOTP 2006. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html

It will give baby first name data for any year. Be sure to enter a specific year and select "Name rankings may include: Number of births." I selected the top 1000 names and copied the results into Excel to adjust the format for compatability.

Again, I only selected one year but one could compile a decade to get more accurate results. But I think doing so might be more work than is really necessary.

cbbl · 03-26-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by No Pepper

Your best bet is probably to convert Questdog's files, but I can't remember how much his last names were modified, as only the first names changed from decade to decade IIRC. I'll check into the bookmarks I have for "census" name data (first name only IIRC) as I used some for creating an unpublished nameset for women in the 1940s (ie, born in 1925). I haven't looked at the changes that came with 2007 yet, however.

**EDIT**

Here is the source I used for OOTP 2006. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html

It will give baby first name data for any year. Be sure to enter a specific year and select "Name rankings may include: Number of births." I selected the top 1000 names and copied the results into Excel to adjust the format for compatability.

Again, I only selected one year but one could compile a decade to get more accurate results. But I think doing so might be more work than is really necessary.

Excellent, thanks. Maybe I'll make a project of this. I still need to figure out the best way to incorporate name changes and the introduction of both US players of foreign ethnicity as well as foreign players themselves. I never spent enough time with 2006 to get that far.

cbbl

Skywalker76 · 04-05-2007, 01:43 PM

Any progress yet. I want a fictional league in 1918 but not with hispanic names.

Skywalker76 · 04-05-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cbbl

Thanks. Suprised to not see any discussion on this. For the league I've just started in 1947, I switched the nations.txt file to use the Historical US name set instead.

How did you do that?

ctorg · 05-07-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker76

Any progress yet. I want a fictional league in 1918 but not with hispanic names.

You can already do this by editing the nations.txt file. The problem seems to be that there's no reliable way to edit it later. The in-game nation editor doesn't seem to be fully functional (only 17 name sets show up, and American isn't one of them).

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Originally Posted by Skywalker76

How did you do that?

You can do it by switching the first name set used for the US from 0 to 39.

Malleus Dei · 06-01-2007, 11:40 AM

I rebuilt the names files and the nations.txt and ethnicities.txt files in order to provide more realistic names for the early days of baseball. Combining this with the state flag mod and a purely U.S. cities.txt file has yielded some very realistic-looking results.

statfreak · 06-01-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

I rebuilt the names files and the nations.txt and ethnicities.txt files in order to provide more realistic names for the early days of baseball. Combining this with the state flag mod and a purely U.S. cities.txt file has yielded some very realistic-looking results.

have you uploaded your work anywhere? I'd be interested in using this for a solo league project I am working on.

thanks.

03-23-2007, 05:41 PM	#1
cbbl All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,179	Historically accurate names - OOTP2007 I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like the fact that league financials and strategies are easily aligned with the years were are playing in. But what about names? (Fictional league here) I can't find this on 2007. Is the process the same as 2006, that is, changing the names file to eliminate all the Rodriguezes et. al. from my 1947 league? As I recall, it wasn't easy (or maybe even possible) to adjust this over time. Is that still accurate? Can someone run me through the basics of this? TIA! cbbl

03-25-2007, 12:04 PM	#2
dcpcarmona All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: at the New Moon Posts: 1,644	a friendly bump because I'm interested in knowing this as well. __________________ "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby

03-26-2007, 11:38 AM	#4
No Pepper All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,553	Your best bet is probably to convert Questdog's files, but I can't remember how much his last names were modified, as only the first names changed from decade to decade IIRC. I'll check into the bookmarks I have for "census" name data (first name only IIRC) as I used some for creating an unpublished nameset for women in the 1940s (ie, born in 1925). I haven't looked at the changes that came with 2007 yet, however. EDIT Here is the source I used for OOTP 2006. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/index.html It will give baby first name data for any year. Be sure to enter a specific year and select "Name rankings may include: Number of births." I selected the top 1000 names and copied the results into Excel to adjust the format for compatability. Again, I only selected one year but one could compile a decade to get more accurate results. But I think doing so might be more work than is really necessary. __________________ Uniforms compatible with OOTP23/24 Historical Major League Baseball 1901-current Historical Major League Baseball 1871-1900 Historical Federal League Historical Negro Leagues Last edited by No Pepper; 03-26-2007 at 11:54 AM.

04-05-2007, 01:43 PM	#6
Skywalker76 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 836	Any progress yet. I want a fictional league in 1918 but not with hispanic names.