Some pictures

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:03 PM

Don't know if anyone has seen these...thought you might be interested. From the Chicago Daily News, circa 1909.

Joe Choynski (and no, I still haven't found a contemporary reference to his nickname "Chrysanthemum". I just don't have enough time to hang out at the library.)

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:03 PM

Choynski #2

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:04 PM

Choynski #3

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:06 PM

Choynski #4

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:09 PM

Here's a couple more interesting ones, from an old cigarette ad:

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:09 PM

one more cigarette ad:

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:13 PM

Have you heard about the Johnson/Jefferies Fight?

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 01:17 PM

One final one: this is allegedly the Sullivan/Kilrain fight. You can't really see them, but still......it's not a bad photo for 1889.

erickdamac · 08-26-2003, 01:35 PM

who is this guy? what weight class did he fight in?

ucclark · 08-26-2003, 02:03 PM

That's it, Erick. I am gonna kick your @ss. How DARE you not know how Joe Choynski is?

Seriously, Choynski (pronounced either coy-EN-ski or co-EN-ski, I'm not 100% sure) is considered by many to be the greatest Jewish heavyweight of all time. He was a small guy, only about 160-170 pounds, but he fought all of the top guys of his era. His most famous fight was a loss to Gentleman Jim Corbett, on a barge in San Francisco (both fighters were from SF). Choynski was known as a great puncher for his size. Late in his career, he knocked out a young Jack Johnson in Galveston, TX. Both men were arrested, and while they were in prison Choynski and Johnson became friends, and Joe tutored Johnson on the finer points of the game.

Choynski was nicknamed "The California Terror" and "Chrysanthemum", a nickname that some people here have found rather outrageous. I am trying to find a contemproary reference to this name being used, alhough I honestly aven't had the time to look much.

Choynski's father was the first Jew to ever graduate from Yale University, and was a newspaper publisher and political activist in San Francisco. I have been able to find precious little out about Isidore Choynski's newspaper, The Public Opinon, but I can only imagine if any survive it would be a great resource on Choynski (anyone live in San Francisco?).

Choyenski acted as a technical advisor on the Errol Flynn movie "Gentleman Jim", and had a comic book written about is life in the 1940's.

His record is available at boxrec.com. I think CBZ has a good article on him as well.

erickdamac · 08-26-2003, 02:24 PM

lol, I only know about fighters from 1945 and up. I didn't even know who jim jeffries was! But im glad im on this site because people just don't talk about Ali, Frazier, and mike tyson. They talk about people from all genaraions! Thanks for the info on this guy, I will be looking for website with more information on him.

bear · 09-24-2006, 09:00 AM

bump

bear

CONN CHRIS · 01-08-2007, 12:16 PM

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08-26-2003, 01:03 PM	#1
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	Some pictures Don't know if anyone has seen these...thought you might be interested. From the Chicago Daily News, circa 1909. Joe Choynski (and no, I still haven't found a contemporary reference to his nickname "Chrysanthemum". I just don't have enough time to hang out at the library.) Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

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ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	Here's a couple more interesting ones, from an old cigarette ad: Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

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ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	one more cigarette ad: Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

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08-26-2003, 01:17 PM	#8
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	One final one: this is allegedly the Sullivan/Kilrain fight. You can't really see them, but still......it's not a bad photo for 1889. Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-26-2003, 01:03 PM	#2
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	Choynski #2 Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

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ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	Choynski #3 Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

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ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	Choynski #4 Attached Images __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-26-2003, 01:35 PM	#9
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	who is this guy? what weight class did he fight in?

08-26-2003, 02:03 PM	#10
ucclark Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 220	That's it, Erick. I am gonna kick your @ss. How DARE you not know how Joe Choynski is? Seriously, Choynski (pronounced either coy-EN-ski or co-EN-ski, I'm not 100% sure) is considered by many to be the greatest Jewish heavyweight of all time. He was a small guy, only about 160-170 pounds, but he fought all of the top guys of his era. His most famous fight was a loss to Gentleman Jim Corbett, on a barge in San Francisco (both fighters were from SF). Choynski was known as a great puncher for his size. Late in his career, he knocked out a young Jack Johnson in Galveston, TX. Both men were arrested, and while they were in prison Choynski and Johnson became friends, and Joe tutored Johnson on the finer points of the game. Choynski was nicknamed "The California Terror" and "Chrysanthemum", a nickname that some people here have found rather outrageous. I am trying to find a contemproary reference to this name being used, alhough I honestly aven't had the time to look much. Choynski's father was the first Jew to ever graduate from Yale University, and was a newspaper publisher and political activist in San Francisco. I have been able to find precious little out about Isidore Choynski's newspaper, The Public Opinon, but I can only imagine if any survive it would be a great resource on Choynski (anyone live in San Francisco?). Choyenski acted as a technical advisor on the Errol Flynn movie "Gentleman Jim", and had a comic book written about is life in the 1940's. His record is available at boxrec.com. I think CBZ has a good article on him as well. __________________ http://lba.bravehost.com Home of the Linear Boxing Association

08-26-2003, 02:24 PM	#11
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	lol, I only know about fighters from 1945 and up. I didn't even know who jim jeffries was! But im glad im on this site because people just don't talk about Ali, Frazier, and mike tyson. They talk about people from all genaraions! Thanks for the info on this guy, I will be looking for website with more information on him.

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