Steps for getting more realistic stats in your first season - Page 2

SteveP · 06-05-2009, 09:41 PM

If you guys want to have fun arguing over how OOTP handles 1974, I suggest taking it outside.

Believe or not, but the audience for that is probably not especially large.

old timer · 06-05-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

If you guys want to have fun arguing over how OOTP handles 1974, I suggest taking it outside.

Believe or not, but the audience for that is probably not especially large.

The point is not "1974". The ratings for certain pitchers like the ones I listed are always off in terms of how many hits they allow. If this is only a single season replay problem, then yes, there may not be that many people that care, but I'm not yet sure it is.

Nevertheless, this was not the point of your thread and I apologize for hijacking it. When I collect more data, I'll start a new thread, if appropriate.

Garlon · 06-05-2009, 10:38 PM

OOTP is based on DIPS. Pitchers do not have any influence on whether a ball in play becomes a hit or not. Quality of defense and luck result in BABIP against. Pitchers influence BB, K, HR Allowed, and GB%.

There is no difference between a ball in play off of Roger Clemens or Steve Trachsel. (HRs are not balls in Play)

Malleus Dei · 06-05-2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

If you guys want to have fun arguing over how OOTP handles 1974, I suggest taking it outside.

Believe or not, but the audience for that is probably not especially large.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Good work and good OP, Steve.

old timer · 06-06-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Garlon

OOTP is based on DIPS. Pitchers do not have any influence on whether a ball in play becomes a hit or not. Quality of defense and luck result in BABIP against. Pitchers influence BB, K, HR Allowed, and GB%.

There is no difference between a ball in play off of Roger Clemens or Steve Trachsel. (HRs are not balls in Play)

Thanks for the explanation. I read more about BABIP and it makes much more sense now.

I did a simple test and improved 2 outfielders (LF & RF) range on the Braves '74 team to better match their real life stats and those seemingly small changes made a big difference in how the pitching staff performed.

So pstrickert was right. But it seems surprising that those two positions being only slightly off in their ratings made such a big difference, although I guess it shouldn't since so many balls were fly balls to the OF. I guess what I interpreted as "slight", wasn't so slight after all.

pstrickert · 06-06-2009, 01:07 AM

When I began to see NYY (1974 import) keep winning the AL East with an ultra-low ERA, I checked the fielding ratings. Sure enough, upon import, nearly all the starters had blue (18-20) ratings. IRL, they were above average defensively (as far as I can tell). They also had a good pitching staff. So, I expected them to compete for the division title. But the low team ERA (often far lower than the next lowest team) and the high team fielding percentage (often much higher than the next highest team) made me seek an explanation. It also explains (to a large degree, IMO) the fact that OAK and BAL never come close to their low RL team ERAs. The defensive ratings, though good, could be better. I mean, these two teams excelled defensively (esp. up the middle).

pstrickert · 06-06-2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

If you guys want to have fun arguing over how OOTP handles 1974, I suggest taking it outside.

Believe or not, but the audience for that is probably not especially large.

Have you heard of squatter's rights?

old timer · 06-06-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

Have you heard of squatter's rights?

That struck me as really funny for some reason.

I appreciated the discussion we had today. Pitching seemed to me to always be messed up in historical replays, but now I understand it's really defensive ratings problems and not always big errors either.

Cowboys3356 · 06-06-2009, 01:25 PM

Back to the original post...

If anyone is using this method (which sounds like a no brainer) could they please post the season they simmed and the LTMs they got? It might not be exactly right for everyone but as long as we are all using the same DB it should be a good starting point.

Cowboys3356 · 06-06-2009, 01:44 PM

What about the Automatically control in game engine to match league totals option?

Do you guys usually disable or enable this?

old timer · 06-06-2009, 03:42 PM

Anyway we can delete our own post?

Cowboys3356 · 06-06-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by old timer

I hate to type so here are the settings I got for 1974:

So you guys are entering the data for ALL 3 sections which includes the fielding data?

Do you check the "Automatically control ingame engine" box? Or do you only use that for the minors?

old timer · 06-06-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

So you guys are entering the data for ALL 3 sections which includes the fielding data?

Do you check the "Automatically control ingame engine" box? Or do you only use that for the minors?

I didn't expect someone to check so quickly so I deleted the picture of the league settings I just put in, since it didn't seem that helpful - it's only one season out of over a hundred after all.

To answer your question, yes I entered data for all 3 sections since that's what changed after following SteveP's instructions. I don't check that other box you mentioned since I don't yet understand it and it says it's for the minors.

Cowboys3356 · 06-06-2009, 03:59 PM

I am finding the LTM numbers I am generating are different every single time even for the same season. But I guess they are better than just using 1.0 default numbers.

The LTM numbers are fairly close each time I resim.

SteveP · 06-06-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

I am finding the LTM numbers I am generating are different every single time even for the same season. But I guess they are better than just using 1.0 default numbers.

The LTM numbers are fairly close each time I resim.

Yes, the numbers will be different every time you do it, because the stats that are created by your sim will be different every time (because of the randomness built into the game). It's a not a bad idea to sim 2-3 times and take an average, but that's would be a lot of work for the typical gamer, and the benefit is small. A few of the LTMs can vary way too much (balks, for example) because of sample size in a single season. It's probably a mistake to have them in the LTM system. I'd consider just re-entering 1.000 for those -- though, again, it doesn't really matter all that much.

SteveP · 06-06-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Do you check the "Automatically control ingame engine" box? Or do you only use that for the minors?

I leave it unchecked. It's new in OOTP10. It didn't get much of a look during the beta. I think the concept behind it never got completely implemented. But it's possible one of the OOTP veterans/beta testers has good reason for thinking otherwise. If so, I hope they post on that somewhere.

Spritze · 06-06-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

I leave it unchecked. It's new in OOTP10. It didn't get much of a look during the beta. I think the concept behind it never got completely implemented. But it's possible one of the OOTP veterans/beta testers has good reason for thinking otherwise. If so, I hope they post on that somewhere.

For fictional leagues only. Which it is supposed to say somewhere on screen but doesn't yet.

cbbl · 06-09-2009, 05:58 PM

Steve:

Thanks for posting this. I look forward to trying it out and getting started with OOTP X!

knockahoma · 06-11-2009, 09:08 AM

Moved to another thread.

actionjackson · 06-11-2009, 06:40 PM

SteveP, this technique works incredibly well for the first year of a game. What I'm wondering is would it be worth it to use it on subsequent seasons? Or do the LTMs grab hold and take over once that first season is in the books? Is the ability of the LTMs to get very accurate league wide totals in subsequent seasons strengthened by using this technique? I realize that eventually the LTMs are supposed to snap the totals into place, but I guess what I'm wondering (without expressing it too well) is does having very accurate first season stats help the LTMs to do their job better in subsequent seasons? There...got it out, sorry it's a bit muddy and murky.

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knockahoma All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 792	Moved to another thread. Last edited by knockahoma; 06-11-2009 at 10:32 AM.

06-05-2009, 09:41 PM	#21
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	If you guys want to have fun arguing over how OOTP handles 1974, I suggest taking it outside. Believe or not, but the audience for that is probably not especially large.

06-05-2009, 10:38 PM	#23
Garlon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,748	OOTP is based on DIPS. Pitchers do not have any influence on whether a ball in play becomes a hit or not. Quality of defense and luck result in BABIP against. Pitchers influence BB, K, HR Allowed, and GB%. There is no difference between a ball in play off of Roger Clemens or Steve Trachsel. (HRs are not balls in Play)

06-06-2009, 01:07 AM	#26
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,726	When I began to see NYY (1974 import) keep winning the AL East with an ultra-low ERA, I checked the fielding ratings. Sure enough, upon import, nearly all the starters had blue (18-20) ratings. IRL, they were above average defensively (as far as I can tell). They also had a good pitching staff. So, I expected them to compete for the division title. But the low team ERA (often far lower than the next lowest team) and the high team fielding percentage (often much higher than the next highest team) made me seek an explanation. It also explains (to a large degree, IMO) the fact that OAK and BAL never come close to their low RL team ERAs. The defensive ratings, though good, could be better. I mean, these two teams excelled defensively (esp. up the middle).

06-06-2009, 01:25 PM	#29
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Back to the original post... If anyone is using this method (which sounds like a no brainer) could they please post the season they simmed and the LTMs they got? It might not be exactly right for everyone but as long as we are all using the same DB it should be a good starting point.

06-06-2009, 01:44 PM	#30
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	What about the Automatically control in game engine to match league totals option? Do you guys usually disable or enable this?

06-06-2009, 03:59 PM	#34
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	I am finding the LTM numbers I am generating are different every single time even for the same season. But I guess they are better than just using 1.0 default numbers. The LTM numbers are fairly close each time I resim.

06-11-2009, 06:40 PM	#40
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,123	SteveP, this technique works incredibly well for the first year of a game. What I'm wondering is would it be worth it to use it on subsequent seasons? Or do the LTMs grab hold and take over once that first season is in the books? Is the ability of the LTMs to get very accurate league wide totals in subsequent seasons strengthened by using this technique? I realize that eventually the LTMs are supposed to snap the totals into place, but I guess what I'm wondering (without expressing it too well) is does having very accurate first season stats help the LTMs to do their job better in subsequent seasons? There...got it out, sorry it's a bit muddy and murky.